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Originally posted by TomDiehl1 TomDiehl1 wrote:

Jim, what are the deadwax matrix numbers for your pressing and are they handwritten or machine stamped?
Tom, I have finally been able to reach my 1969 commercial 45s again. I have two commercial 45 copies, and they both have the same, handwritten "ZTS-144398-1A" deadwax that you found for one of your stock copies, for what it's worth at this point.
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Jim are either of your copies vinyl pressings?
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No, Tom, both my copies are styrene. In fact, I don't recall that any of my many 1969-72 Metromedia stock/promo 45s were on vinyl, until the label's last year or so, around '73, when the label became distributed by RCA before dissolving.
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Both of my current copies are styrene but I can confirm that a previous copy I owned was on vinyl, and had the vocal off to one side (i do not remember if it had machine stamped matrix numbers but I would assume it would be a Columbia pressing on vinyl....they were doing vinyl pressings during this time so it's possible). On an old external hard drive I have that doesn't work, I did have a dub of this specific 45, but I don't remember what it timed out to...at this point i won't know, either... but that pressing certainly does exist.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote eriejwg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 June 2010 at 9:12pm
Trying to track down a vocals centered, stereo copy of this 45. It's rather frustrating, since with different deadwax numbers that what Jim and Tom have mentioned. And, prices on this 45 are $15.00 up to $50.00 or more...
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I have the Metromedia reissue with "Love Of the Common People" on the flip side.
Both sides stereo and yes lousy vocal mix.
"Color Him Father" is such a terrific song because you don't realize where its going until the last verse.
A tribute to a stepfather.
the way it was heard on the radio
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This 45 is very pricey and collectable due to being beloved by Break Beats fans and Sampling use.
I turn up the good and turn down the bad!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TomDiehl1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 August 2010 at 10:42pm
The interesting thing about the B sides of each pressing is that they are different stereo mixes as well. In fact for the pressing that has the vocal off to one side the mix is basically mono with a little reverb in one channel...while the other pressing has a distinct wide stereo mix.... I wonder if that would make a difference in how much a given pressing would sell for.
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Originally posted by Hykker Hykker wrote:

Are the mono versions a true mono mix (as was the
mono side of the promo single), or just a fold-down? This one ranks high
on my "wish I had it on a promo copy" list...the stereo mix was just
awful...even listening in stereo the lead singer's voice gets buried, if
folded to mono it's even worse.
                                                           
I have finally managed to track down a promo 45 for this song. "Color Him
Father" appears on only one side of it, and it is in mono. Listed time
(3:06), actual time (3:13). Deadwax is a handwritten "ZTSP-144357-1A".
My timing here does happen to match up exactly with the mono versions
on the Thump CDs I referenced earlier in this thread.

As far as it being a dedicated mono mix or a fold down, I will need to have
my hard-working buddy Aaron make that determination, and report back
his findings, when time permits.

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Jim, I have the Metromedia Trophy Series reissue 45 with the wonky vocal-in-the-right-channel stereo mix. When summed to mono, the vocals are down the Grand Canyon a few hundred feet. That right-channel vocal is also fairly wet, whereas the far more up-front vocal on my mono DJ 45 is drier.

Unfortunately, my DJ 45 (which has a second Metromedia logo with "PLUG SIDE" beneath it on the right side, both in red) was a firsthand "learning opportunity" for my MD predecessor at our college station: remove record from sleeve before writing on it. He found out the hard way that styrene is severely allergic to the alcohol in black permanent markers, and the "306" file number he'd written on the plain white sleeve branded itself forever into the record. :(

It's possible that the DJ 45 is simply the vocal-centered second stereo mix stock copy Tom mentioned, summed to mono. But having never heard that stereo mix, I can't say one way or the other.

(UPDATE: In comparing the mono DJ 45 with the centered-vocal stereo track on Rhino's Soul Hits Of The '70s Vol. 1 CD, the vocal on the mono DJ 45 is noticeably drier than it is on the stereo Rhino track, summed to mono. Both vocals do have reverb, but there's definitely more on the Rhino track.)   

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