4 Seasons - Big Girls Don’t Cry

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   I own two 1962 Vee Jay 465 stock 45 copies for this. The first is a vinyl 

copy. And except for the fact that there is no "from VJLP 1053 'Sherry'" 

statement noted, either in the label's upper left corner or below the artist 

name (as the Discogs 45 scan copy does), my copy's deadwax exactly 

matches the first Discogs US 45 listing: "VJ-62-26-49-1E", with a small 

"11" just after the E, and a stray double quote at the end. This copy has 

both a listed & actual runtime of (2:25), features a slightly longer fade 

than my other copy does, and appears to be an American Record Pressing 

Co. pressing.

My other stock 45 copy appears to match up with the 4th Discogs 

sequential US 45 listing. A styrene Columbia pressing from Bridgeport, in 

my home state of CT. It has the same listed (2:25), actual (2:21) timings 

that Pat currently displays in the db for the song. Deadwax is a machine-

stamped "ZTSC-87556-1K".

With increased focus of late about the mono 45 and mono LP versions of 

some of their early releases perhaps being different popping up of late 

over on BSN (due to new CD releases of these mono LP tracks), my 

findings here may not help clarify much on that issue, but we've long 

been interested in original stock 45s appearing with multiple confirmed 

timings; hence this post.

Edited by jimct

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jimct Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote jimct Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: 4 Seasons - Big Girls Don’t Cry Posted: 05 October 2015 at 4:44pm
	I own two 1962 Vee Jay 465 stock 45 copies for this. The first is a vinyl copy. And except for the fact that there is no "from VJLP 1053 'Sherry'" statement noted, either in the label's upper left corner or below the artist name (as the Discogs 45 scan copy does), my copy's deadwax exactly matches the first Discogs US 45 listing: "VJ-62-26-49-1E", with a small "11" just after the E, and a stray double quote at the end. This copy has both a listed & actual runtime of (2:25), features a slightly longer fade than my other copy does, and appears to be an American Record Pressing Co. pressing. My other stock 45 copy appears to match up with the 4th Discogs sequential US 45 listing. A styrene Columbia pressing from Bridgeport, in my home state of CT. It has the same listed (2:25), actual (2:21) timings that Pat currently displays in the db for the song. Deadwax is a machine- stamped "ZTSC-87556-1K". With increased focus of late about the mono 45 and mono LP versions of some of their early releases perhaps being different popping up of late over on BSN (due to new CD releases of these mono LP tracks), my findings here may not help clarify much on that issue, but we've long been interested in original stock 45s appearing with multiple confirmed timings; hence this post. Edited by jimct

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 88	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 April 2019 at 7:30am
	Pat asked me to assist with a question about "Big Girls Don't Cry," so I have pulled the stock copies Jim posted about above. I also have a dub of the Vee Jay promo 45 provided by another chat board member. Here's his description of the promo 45: ARP logo VJ 62-62-26-49-1A BellSound {something I can't read apparently Audio Matrix) Vee Jay Disc Jockey Advance Sample VJ 465 [Note: I think the promo 45 only has one "62" in the matrix, which is how Discogs has it listed and is what matches the label matrix.] The audio of Jim's vinyl stock copy with matrix VJ-62-26-49-1E matches the dub I have of the promo 45. The styrene 45 copy that Jim posted about (matrix ZTSC 87556) runs about 1% slower than the promo and vinyl stock copies (matrix 62-2649), and it also fades earlier. This is a slightly different mix with different reverb and less compression. Could this be a mono LP mix? I don't have the mono LPs to know for sure. (One thing I can say for sure is that it's not a fold-down of the stereo mix.) Next, I compared these two mixes to the mono version that appears on the Jersey Beat box set. Jersey beat has yet a THIRD dedicated mono mix that doesn't exactly match the two 45 copies I have, but again, I don't know if it matches either of the two mono LPs. (I can say for sure that the Jersey Beat mix is also not a fold-down of the stereo mix.) So, to conclude, there are at least three different mono mixes of "Big Girls Don't Cry." Until I'm able to get dubs of the mono LPs, I can't say for sure if either of the stock 45s I have match up with one of the mixes on the LPs.
	Aaron Kannowski Uptown Sound 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 88	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 April 2019 at 6:27am
	Thanks to the assistance of two different Johns (you know who you are), I was able to hear the mono LP versions on Sherry & 11 Others and Golden Hits Of The 4 Seasons, so I have new news to report. 45 mix 1 (matrix 62-2649) appears on Sherry & 11 Others 45 mix 2 (matrix ZTSC 87556) appears on Golden Hits Of The 4 Seasons The mono mix on the CD box set Jersey Beat still does not match up with either. There is, however, a 1963 mono LP titled Big Girls Don't Cry And 12 Others... that I haven't checked. If anyone has this LP and can send a dub, that will probably be the last source I would need to compare to draw final conclusions. :) Edited by aaronk
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