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davidclark ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 17 |
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Here's something where I'd like some input. In my personal database, which I've had going since the late '80s, I track which 45 versions are a different recording/performance from their LP counterpart (as opposed to being an edit/different mix/different arrangement/different vocals/overdub or undubbed/etc. of the same basic recording). I personally like the Chat here because we can ask each other questions on this, i.e., how the 45 and LP versions differ, however this info doesn't make it to Pat's database.
I've prepared a list of what I believe to be 45s where they are a different performance from the LP. I put it out for feedback/comment/additions/subtractions. The list is based on what I know - I'm sure there are others I am not aware of. Note that a song like The Beatles "Help" doesn't make this list because the recording is basically the same - it's the vocal and a tambourine that's different. A list of 45 versions that are the same recording yet different somehow would be rather large, so it ain't here. Please comment at will, as any addtional info on this is much appreciated! The database might need updating in a few cases (e.g., The Leaves "Hey Joe"). 1957 Harry Belafonte Jamaica Farewell 1957 Ricky Nelson Be-Bop Baby 1959 Freddy Cannon Tallahassee Lassie 1960 Bobby Darin Clementine 1961 Andy Williams The Bilbao Song 1961 Buzz Clifford Baby Sittin' Boogie 1961 Dave Brubeck Quartet Take Five 1961 Drifters Some Kind Of Wonderful 1961 Kokomo &n bsp; Asia Minor 1962 Ace Cannon Tuff 1962 Ben E. King Don't Play That Song (You Lied) 1962 Bent Fabric & His Piano Alley Cat 1962 Peter, Paul & Mary If I Had A Hammer (The Hammer Song) 1962 Shirelles Baby It's You 1963 Beach Boys Be True To Your School 1963 Drifters Up On The Roof 1963 Marvin Gaye Pride And Joy 1964 Beatles & nbsp; Please Please Me 1964 Dr ifters Under The Boardwalk 1964 Jan & Dean Dead Man's Curve 1964 Joey Powers Midnight Mary 1964 Peter, Paul & Mary Tell It On The Mountain 1965 Barbara Mason Yes, I'm Ready 1965 Beach Boys Help Me, Rhonda 1965 Billy Stewart I Do Love You 1965 Byrds Al l I Really Want To Do 1965 Donovan Catch The Wind 1965 Little Anthony & The Imperials Take Me Back 1965 Otis Redding I've Been Loving You Too Long (To Stop Now) 1965 Otis Redding Respect 1965 Shirley Bassey Goldfinger 1965 Solomon Burke Got To Get You Off My Mind 1966 Bobby Fuller Four I Fought The Law 1966 Gary Lewis & The Playboys Sure Gonna Miss Her 1966 Herb Alpert & The Tijuana Brass Zorba The Greek 1966 Leaves H ey Joe 1967 Martha & The Vandellas Jimmy Mack 1967 Nancy Sinatra You Only Live Twice 1967 Paul Revere & The Raiders Peace Of Mind 1967 Ray Charles In The Heat Of The Night 1967 Spyder Turner Stand By Me 1968 Four Jacks And A Jill Master Jack 1969 Banana Splits The Tra La La Song (One Banana, Two Banana) 1969 Booker T. & The MG's Time Is Tight 1969 Canned Heat Going Up The Country 1969 Peter, Paul & Mary Day Is Done 1970 Bread &nb sp; It Don't Matter To Me 1970 Carpenters Merry Christmas Darling 1970 Guess Who No Time 1970 Joe Cocker The Letter 1971 Donny Osmond Sweet And Innocent 1971 James Taylor Country Road 1971 Wadsworth Mansion Sweet Mary 1972 Foot In Cold Water (Make Me Do) Anything You Want 1973 Bette Midler Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy 1976 Keith Carradine I'm Easy 1978 Eddie Money Two Tickets To Paradise 1983 Frank Stallone Far From Over Unknown as to if the 45 version is an edit/alteration of the LP version or a different recording/performance: 1967 Al Martino Mary In The Morning 1986 Cars &nbs p;I'm Not The One Edited by davidclark |
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EdisonLite ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 18 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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You can add:
1978 Dolly Parton Two Doors Down -- as we recently discussed this on the board. However, later LP's pressed (after the album sold gold), they subtituted the new 45 recording for the old LP recording, but I still think this one counts.) |
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TomDiehl1 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 13 January 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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What's the difference between 45 and lp versions of Midnight Mary by Joey Powers?
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davidclark ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 17 |
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Tom,
Pat has the different "Midnight Mary" designated as alternate take. My boo. |
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john halloran ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 06 March 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Todd,
Without hesitation, you can add: 1972 Danny O'Keefe Good Time Charlie's Got the Blues 1972 Jackson Browne Rock Me on the Water 1973 Loggins and Messina Thinking of You One other, I'm a little hazy, since I dont own the LP and its been years since I've heard it, is Looking Glass' Jimmy Loves Mary Anne-there is a different organ middle-eight and it ends cold. There are a handful of others, but you have probably ruled them out, are J5 "Mama's Pearl"; Rare Earth's "I Know I'm Losing You" and the Beatles "Get Back" and "Let it Be", but it's your list and your criterion. |
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davidclark ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 17 |
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Glad to see some are interested in my post!
John, for "Get Back", I understand the song was recorded 27 January 1969. Although the two are from the same basic take, the 45 features a spoken coda at the end recorded 28 January 1969 while the LP version features studio talk and speech, the latter recorded 30 January 1969. The two feature a different stereo mix and the 45 contains reverb while the LP version is dry. So, since it isn't a different performance, I don't have it in the above list. "Let It Be" is similar, the basic take being recorded 31 January 1969 but the 45 and LP verions are different due to mix, length and guitar solo. For "Good Time Charlie's Got the Blues", I understand the 45 is the same take as the LP version, albeit thoroughly remixed with additional production & editing; the promo 45 is a different recording - it is shorter and features a flute where the 45 and LP version feature added percussion (bongos) and a harmonica. If I am incorrect on the above, please enlighten me! For "Thinking Of You" and "Rock Me on the Water", I do not know either of the versions, so I'll take your word for it! I do have a list of 45s that are different from their LP counterpart that does indeed include "Mama's Pearl" and 100s of others. Maybe another post someday? Anyone can answer Al Martino or The Cars? Edited by davidclark |
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aaronk ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 88 |
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Was "Two Tickets To Paradise" an entirely different recording? I always knew there were lots of overdubs---guitar, vocals, and rearrangements---but I never noticed a different vocal take for the verses and choruses. Also, I seem to remember A/B-ing the two, and they stayed in sync. That would also lead me to believe that the take/recording is the same.
The Dave Brubeck album with "Take Five" is one of my favorite jazz albums. I had no idea the single was a different take! I haven't listened carefully enough to the LP version of "Alley Cat," but I thought it was only a difference in the reverb but not the actual recording. Good info, David. |
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bwolfe ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 24 May 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Both Eddie Money and Loggins & Messina were both different recordings than their LP versions.
Two Tickets has a different vocal take and guitar work. Thinking Of You is faster and a better version than the now common LP version. Dick Bartley played the 45 version of Thinking Of You on his American Gold show around a year ago. You could tell it was clean vinyl. |
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the way it was heard on the radio
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TomDiehl1 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 13 January 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I'm not 100% convinced the 45 version of Take Five is a different take than the LP version. Edited from the multitrack in a way that you cannot replicate that from the 2-track album master, sure, but I don't think it's an entirely new recording.
As for Up On The Roof by the Drifters, i believe the only difference between the album and single is the vocals over the intro on the album version, which you can faintly hear on the single version. Is there any other part of the song where the album and single versions are not from the same take? |
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davidclark ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 17 |
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Tom,
On "Take Five", I am convinced it is a different recording, albeit quite close (except for the middle part of course). There are several points where I can tell, the first being at about 0:12. On the LP version, he doesn't play a "down" piano stroke where on the 45 he does. I mean there's a piano note missing. Hope i've described it well enough. Good ear on "Up On The Roof" though. After listening closely, I now do believe that they are the same take. The differences are in the mix throughout, and at the beginning where the 45 repeats the musical intro twice while the LP version repeats it 4 times (with vocals preceding it and over it), and at 0:17 of the LP version where there are background vocals not present at the same point (0:13) on the 45. Interested in other opinions... thanks for your feedback, Tom! Edited by davidclark |
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