Bertie Higgins - Key Largo

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   Thanks Ron. For such a small difference in mixes, it's somewhat surprising that 

they did a new mix for the single. It's not like they made it any punchier, or a 

more elaborate arrangement ala the single mix of BJ's "Piano Man" which is 

AMAZING and much better than the mix that virtually every knows these days.

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EdisonLite Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 18 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 194	Post Options Post Reply Quote EdisonLite Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 August 2023 at 1:48am
	Thanks Ron. For such a small difference in mixes, it's somewhat surprising that they did a new mix for the single. It's not like they made it any punchier, or a more elaborate arrangement ala the single mix of BJ's "Piano Man" which is AMAZING and much better than the mix that virtually every knows these days.

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 165	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 August 2023 at 8:10am
	I don't think a new mix was made for the single. It's likely a new mix was made for the album for the speculative reasons I mentioned in the initial post.
	Aaron Kannowski Uptown Sound 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop

NightAire Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 20 February 2010 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4	Post Options Post Reply Quote NightAire Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 January 2024 at 12:24am
	I'd love to have somebody else look and confirm this -- but does it seem to anybody else like the copy of Key Largo on "Hard To Find 45s Vol. 14 - 70s & 80s Pop Classics" from 2012 is a lossy track, or is my copy just bad?
	Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA

crapfromthepast Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 55	Post Options Post Reply Quote crapfromthepast Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 January 2024 at 12:04pm
	Gene - The spectrum on the Hard To Find disc does look a little weird, with an odd cutoff at 16 kHz, and the drum hits going up to 19 kHz. Based on my experience with the Eric discs (this one is from 2012), I'd guess that the artifacts are from added noise reduction, and not a lossy source. If you want the 45 mix, I'd recommend Rhino's Like Omigod (2002), which has a normal-looking spectrum. If you're wondering which version to use on the air, I'd vote for using the LP mix, which sounds better than the Eric and Rhino CDs. Listeners won't know the difference (it took us about 40 years to figure it out!), and you'll have a lot less hiss.
	There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one Crap From The Past.

Santi Paradoa Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 17 February 2009 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote Santi Paradoa Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 January 2024 at 1:24pm
	Tom Daly worked on that Eric Records CD (as the sound engineer) which explains the noise reduction on that release. That may have been the final CD that Bill Buster used Tom for. From that point on Bill went with Mark Mathews and Walt Weiskopf (both who refused to apply any noise reduction).
	Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida

VWestlife Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 02 April 2020 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2	Post Options Post Reply Quote VWestlife Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 January 2024 at 5:06pm
	The 45 mix of "Key Largo" also sounds like it has more reverb than the album mix, but at least on the Rhino box set, definitely sounds like a higher-generation tape copy -- the treble is rolled off and the stereo imaging is diffuse.

NightAire Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 20 February 2010 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4	Post Options Post Reply Quote NightAire Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 January 2024 at 9:21pm
	Ron, you may be right; maybe it's not lossy, but aggressive noise reduction. It doesn't SOUND especially lossy. For the moment I've gone with your advice to use the Rhino version, applied some declipping and I'll see if it sounds noisy on the air. If it does, I'll for sure be going with the LP mix. I continue to be so thankful for this group for sorting on what the "real" versions of songs are!
	Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA