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Sorry to bump this one again, but something may be amiss. In my file of the 45, the edit at approximately
(2:30) has a little organ bleedover from the LP version. But the 45 version on AnotherProf's YouTube page
has no organ bleedover--it's a straight edit from guitar to guitar. And a playing of another 45 on YouTube
also doesn't have the organ.

So either I did a lousy job of trying to edit the 45, or I grabbed the wrong file from somewhere. Can
someone double check their 45?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote crapfromthepast Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 November 2023 at 8:29pm
Great catch, Doug!

I did my 45 recreation using Sony's 2-CD Rock The Train Kept A Rollin' (1999) as the source. To my ears, it sounded like Sony attempted to recreate the 45 but missed one edit at 1:30. Thanks to your keen ears, we now see that they also botched the edit at 2:30 in the 45 (about 2:35 on Rock).

Too bad, because the sound quality on Rock was stellar.
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While we’re at it, do the three CDs that have the 45 version actually have
the 45 version, or is there organ bleedover there too?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote davidclark Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 November 2023 at 9:58pm
Doug, glad you DID bump this, as my version too has that organ at 2:30, so it
is an incorrect edit. I found the correct bit later in the LP version, and I suspect
my incorrect version also took the guitar solo instrumental bit that preceded
the incorrect edit from the wrong point in the song (i detected a different drum
roll at one point).

My version, I believe, unless I have it mis-sourced, comes from a series of CDs
a group of us did a while back called "Rare 45s on CD".

So, we'll need someone to provide a proper edit or create one, using one of
those good sources!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote sriv94 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 November 2023 at 1:01pm
Originally posted by davidclark davidclark wrote:

So, we'll need someone to provide a proper edit or create one, using one of those good
sources!


I made an attempt at it. I've given it to a special pair of ears to evaluate. If acceptable, he'll share
with the class.
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Got fooled by one editing error at the very end, so the file I had made was not kosher. I've sent
my revised file to said special pair of ears, and he'll post the findings.
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I'm honored that Doug lumps me into the "special ears" category! :)

I have a few things to attend to for the next few days. Once I clear off my desk, I'll pick apart Doug's file and post my findings here on the board.

Stay tuned.
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I can see how someone at Sony goofed this up. The edits work great, but they're not in places you'd expect.

Doug did a terrific job reverse-engineering this track; this is not a simple editing job. I myself would have missed the last edit, which falls inside the fade.

Doug worked his magic from left-to-right in the file, and I'll post his instructions below. They should be equivalent to what I have here. We're editing the LP version using the timings from Reelin' In The Years Vol. 5 (it was pointless to count beats for this song):

Segment 1
Extends from 0:00 to 0:27.9 of the LP version and the 45 edit.

Delete 0:27.9 to 0:54.4 of the LP version.

Segment 2
Extends from 0:54.4 to 1:56.9 of the LP version.
Extends from 0:27.9 to 1:30.4 of the 45 edit.

Delete 1:56.9 to 2:02.6 of the LP version.

Segment 3
Extends from 2:02.6 to 2:55.1 of the LP version.
Extends from 1:30.4 to 2:22.9 of the 45 edit.

Delete 2:55.1 to 3:17.6 of the LP version.

Segment 4
Extends from 3:17.6 to 3:37.4 of the LP version.
Extensd from 2:22.9 to 2:42.8 of the 45 edit.

Delete 3:37.4 to 3:43.1 of the LP version.

Segment 5
Extends from 3:43.1 to 4:22.3 of the LP version.
Extends from 2:42.8 to 3:21.9 of the 45 edit.

Delete 4:22.3 to 4:50.7 of the LP version.

Segment 6
Extends from 4:50.7 to 4:56.6 of the LP version.
Extends from 3:21.9 to 3:27.8 of the 45 edit.

Fade
Extends from about 4:18 to 4:28.1 of the LP version.
Extends from about 3:18 to 3:27.8 of the 45 edit.
Note that the last edit is inside the fade.

Your mixdown should run 3:27.8, with edits at 0:27.9, 1:30.4, 2:22.9, 2:42.8, and 3:21.9, and a 10-second fade from about 3:18 to 3:27.8.

Here are Doug's instructions, which should be completely equivalent to the above, but working left-to-right in the file. Times given are from what you'll have left:

Edit 1: 0:27.934 to 0:54.404
Edit 2: 1:30.512 to 1:36.212
Edit 3: 2:22.999 to 2:45.479
Edit 4: 2:42:857 to 2:48.557
Edit 5: 3:21.891 to 3:50.301
Edit 6: Cut out everything from 3:27.797 onward
Start fade somewhere around (3:18)

Happy editing!
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Thank you, Ron. I humbly accept the compliment.

Would still like to know the answer to the query I posted earlier:

Originally posted by sriv94 sriv94 wrote:

While we’re at it, do the three CDs that have the 45 version actually have the 45 version, or is there
organ bleedover there too?


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Of the 69 CDs in the database that include the song, here are the four that have the 45 version:

Rolling Stone Presents The Greatest Hits Of Classic Rock (Box Set) - Compass Productions 46198 (released 2008) - produced by Rhino Custom Products
OCC Rocks - OCC Records 759114 (released 2009)
Classic Arena Rock - Compass Productions 52385 (released 2010) - produced by Sony Music Entertainment
Rolling Stone - Arena Rock - Mood Media Entertainment 58706 (released 2012) - produced by Sony Music Entertainment

If any of you are willing to buy one of these and post the results, the 2008 set might be worth it. That seems to be the first instance of the 45 version on CD.
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