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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote eriejwg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 January 2021 at 12:07pm
Here is a 45 playing for reference -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wo1zKGtnfE
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote eriejwg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 January 2021 at 12:21pm
I just listened to the 45 version on the Epic
Archives
which runs 4:36 according to the db, but fades
earlier than the 45 I linked to in the post above.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aaronk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 January 2021 at 12:28pm
Based on what Ron said above, it seems that the LP version and 45 version are different edits of a longer take. There are spots in the LP version where an edit is audible, so that seems plausible. Also, regarding the Billboard disc, not only does the entire song run too slow, but also the first 4-5 seconds run even slower. The song picks up speed at that point, and the pitch seems fairly constant for the remainder.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote eriejwg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 January 2021 at 12:35pm
I didn't speed up the first few seconds of the Billboard
disc only the song itself. So what options are there for a
45 version that runs the proper length, proper pitch, and
doesn't fade early?
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Now that you mention it, the first few seconds of the
Billboard disc sound like tape drag maybe?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PopArchivist Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 January 2021 at 2:53pm
Originally posted by eriejwg eriejwg wrote:

Now that you mention it, the first few seconds of the
Billboard disc sound like tape drag maybe?


Based on Aaron's correct file, the song should run 4:43.
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And now to give everybody a headache, I'm going to make a correction. :)

The 45 can be edited from the LP, there is no mix difference but a simple out
of sequence edit.

The sound you hear at 4:14 on the 45 version is not, I repeat *not* a
tambourin, it is simply an extra note from the Roland D50 synth that appears
throughout the song. This is very obvious if you're listening with headphones,
as it's right there in your left channel. After Robin sings "you" the synth plays
four notes followed by a fifth note and the down beat.

This does appear on the LP version, listen closely at 5:06 seconds and that
extra note is right there, it also appears at 5:16.

So Segment #2 can be made just take 5:02 to 5:06 and paste it.

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You're right that the sound is a synth and not a tambourine, but I agree with Ron that the segment in question is unique and not found on the LP version. On the 45 version, the synth note comes noticeably early before the drum hit, and I could not find anywhere in the LP version where that occurs. Every other time that passage is played, the synth and drum are played at the same time. Also, segment 5:02 to 5:06 of the LP version has a different drum pattern/fill that does not match with 4:10 to 4:14 of the 45 version.
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Sorry, radiofan16, but I agree with Aaron. The 4:10-4:14 segment of the 45 version is different from the 5:02-5:06 segment of the LP version.
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Originally posted by aaronk aaronk wrote:

You're right that the sound is a synth and not a tambourine, but I agree with Ron that the segment in question is unique and not found on the LP version. On the 45 version, the synth note comes noticeably early before the drum hit, and I could not find anywhere in the LP version where that occurs. Every other time that passage is played, the synth and drum are played at the same time. Also, segment 5:02 to 5:06 of the LP version has a different drum pattern/fill that does not match with 4:10 to 4:14 of the 45 version.


You are absolutely correct in your assessment sir.
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