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sriv94 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 16 September 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3 |
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Don't have a computer generated edit--my copy was custom-made for me by a company that charged me almost an arm and a leg to have it (never dealing with them again). From what I can tell, it does seem to match the edits as described above.
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Doug
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edtop40 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2 |
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hey doug.........the mp3 you sent was pretty dead on..........except for the fade out being a little off..........it's exceptional..........i highly recomend it.........thx for the effort
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sriv94 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 16 September 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3 |
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My pleasure, Ed. Although I will say this--I did have some troubles with the people who made it on a subsequent transaction, and they're not exactly moderately priced (and this was something like 10 or 11 years ago when I had this edit made). So I'm not exactly willing to give them a glowing recommendation (I won't even publicize them here--of course, with the bevy of source material available from you folks, it's not like any of us really need to utilize their services).
I am glad you enjoyed it though, Ed. If anyone really needs further details, you know where to reach me. Edited by sriv94 |
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eric_a ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 29 June 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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After enough listening to the 45 and LP of "Beginnings", I found exactly where the phantom breakdown beats are found, around 1.21 in the LP version. (These beats are actually found earlier in the single as well.) So...here's my completed editlist:
0:00-0:02 - Acoustic guitar from beginning. Cut after two bars to: 0:06-0:09 - 2-bar Drum fill to: 0:35-1:40 -Downbeat of first verse. Cut after second "silence...la la la" to: 1:49-2:43 Downbeat of verse ("When I kiss you"). Cut right before "Mostly" ***1:21-1:22 - From beat 2 of that measure to just after beat 4 3:02-3:12 Instrumental breakdown (4 bars) to: 3:56-4:04 One of the last "Only the beginning" lines, with the horns. Cut back to: 2:27-2:43 Chorus "oooooh". Cut before "Mostly" to: 2:35-2:43 Back to horn hook; repeat this segment. With the edits in place, end at 2:49 and fade starting at 2:38. |
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aaronk ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 124 |
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Good info! Thanks Eric.
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Bill Cahill ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 27 June 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I believe I have the entire 11 edits on an mp3 which I can send you. Including the needless three edits on the fade out..
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KentT ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 25 May 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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"Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is?". First single release on the old style label has the jazz vamp intro on it and the talking in the break. The re-released single had the jazz vamp edited out and no talking in the break. Version 1 was a fair seller, version 2 was a big hit.
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I turn up the good and turn down the bad!
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jebsib ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 06 April 2006 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Curious about Chicago's "Beginnings" - not sure if anyone was listening to the
radio back in 1971, but... It seems like a very odd song to get to #1 at Adult Contemporary stations at that time. I see it wedged between super soft hits by Olivia, James Taylor, Carpenters and Bread... and its sticks out like a sore thumb as a hard, brass rock jam. On the other hand, its 45 flip-side, "Colour My World", never a single, was played to death in the 70s and became the ipso-facto prom theme for middle America that decade. Any idea if AC was just being adventurous on Beginnings, or if someone at Billboard only reported the A-Side due to some chart policy? |
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Yah Shure ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 11 December 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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How is this "very odd"? Blood, Sweat & Tears' "Spinning Wheel", which is also heavy on the brass, had already been a BB AC chart-topper two years earlier, and its follow-up, "And When I Die", was close behind at #4. It wasn't as though Chicago hadn't already enjoyed breakthrough AC success, since "Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is" had been a top 5 AC hit a half-year earlier. I would consider the 45 version of "Beginnings" to be a medium tempo pop record, not a "hard brass rock jam." It's very much in the same vein as "DARKWTII". Middle-of-the-road radio was gradually changing with the times, and the sound of acts featuring prominent brass sections, including BS&T and Chicago, would not have been entirely foreign to many older MOR listeners who'd come of age during the Big Band era. MOR playlists were by no means limited to just super-soft hits like "You've Got A Friend", "For All We Know" or "If". I'm exaggerating here, of course, but Olivia's "If Not For You" is like a savage rocker, compared to, say, her later "I Honestly Love You". And it even has a fuzz guitar during the break (which is mixed a little more upfront on the mono single.)
Not sure how "Colour My World" can and cannot simultaneously be "a single." In any event, it didn't earn enough spins to chart MOR. Although Chicago III had sold well, neither of its two singles, "Free" and "Lowdown" kept the group's top-40 momentum on the rise, and with the prospects of a 4-LP live album later on in the year, Columbia did what it had to, by mining the first two albums for potential singles success. "Colour My World" was a part of that strategy, and while it may not have shown up on the Hot 100 as anything more than a "flip", having worked in college radio at the time "Beginnings"/"Colour My World" was a current single, I can tell you that the latter title was one of our most heavily requested song for months on end. Its time had come, belated though it may have been. One more thought on how MOR radio was adapting to the reality that the Dean Martins and John Garys of the world were no longer selling in sufficient numbers at the beginning of the new decade: here in Minneapolis/St. Paul, the by-far dominant station at the time was WCCO-AM. It was a legendary full service, 50,000-watt powerhouse. WCCO began to realize that they needed some younger blood on the staff and hired Denny Long, who'd been with a local oldies station, to be their new music director in early 1971 (he's still there, 50 years later.) Later that same year, one of the WCCO personalities got onto the subject of the Rolling Stones, realizing that the majority of his listeners had probably never actually heard a record by the group. So he put on a cut from the Stones' latest album, Sticky Fingers. Which song did he pick as being representative of the band? "Bitch". Local boy Bob Dylan, whose hard rock jam, "Subterranean Homesick Blues", had gone to number 6 on Billboard's Middle-Road chart in 1965, would have been proud. |
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AdvprosD ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 12 June 2020 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Not sure where I was when "Does Anybody Know..." was a two version release. The Jazz intro was introduced to me when the the Group Portrait set was in my hands. I don't think I've ever heard any version that didn't have the talking in the break. I'm going to have to look for that one. |
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<Dave> Someone please tell I-Heart Radio that St. Louis is not known as The Loo!
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