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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Glenpwood Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 November 2015 at 7:45am
I believe all CD copies of Then And Now have the Inglot
mix. The dreaded drum mix is known to exist on
repressings of the vinyl and cassette. (This did make it
to 8 Track via Columbia House but I'll let the really
obsessed track that down and see whats on it). The
easiest way to track them down is if you run across a
sealed or in shrink copy of the LP, look at the hype
sticker. The Inglot version is on the copies with the MTV
logo highlighting only the three new Monkees songs Micky
& Peter recorded for it. The drum mix version has a hype
sticker highlighting Daydream Believer being on the
album and no MTV logo. Why the CD never got changed I'm
unsure but
whenever this topic comes up in Monkees threads online no
one has yet to come up with a copy.


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Thanks again, Jim, for helping me separate fact from speculation; it's clear the video I posted DOES use the '86 remix.

I have a friend, a Monkees fanatic, who swears up and down his CD copy of "Then / Now" has the '86 "big drums" remix on it... I'm trying to get access to his CD so I can determine if there actually could be a CD copy of this mix out there (and I'll get everything I can off the label regarding the pressing, serial number, etc. if it turns out to be true!)or if he's just mis-remembering (which I know is most likely).
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Bill Inglot says they prepared a version
of the album with the drums remix for a
Columbia record club CD release, but does
not know if they ever actually issued it.
Has anybody got the CD as a Columbia House
/ record club issue to report what version
is on there?

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Never noticed this before but the Rhino digital 45 of "Daydream Believer" is
not actually the 45 version, is it? Rhino's got it in stereo.
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Originally posted by JL328 JL328 wrote:

Never noticed this before but the Rhino
digital 45 of "Daydream Believer" is
not actually the 45 version, is it? Rhino's got it in
stereo.


You're right. But its B-side, "I'm Goin' Down," is mono and is the only place to get the B-side in its 45 version. It wasn't on the deluxe editions of the albums issued a few years back.

https://us.7digital.com/artist/the-monkees/release/daydream- believer-goin-down-digital-45-528761?f=20%2C19%2C12%2C16%2C1 7%2C9%2C2

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Originally posted by TomDiehl1 TomDiehl1 wrote:

Bill Inglot says they prepared a version
of the album with the drums remix for a
Columbia record club CD release, but does
not know if they ever actually issued it.
Has anybody got the CD as a Columbia House
/ record club issue to report what version
is on there?

I have a CD version of the CRC edition, but it features the same mix as on the original LP. My reissue LP features the '86 single remix.

Originally posted by Bill Cahill Bill Cahill wrote:

The title track (and only new recording on the CD)...But the
song did well enough to warrant a follow up. Without
another "new" song on that CD, Arista chose to create
a Michael Lloyd remix of "Daydream Believer" with
updated drums and other instruments

With all due respect to Bill, there were three new recordings on the album - "That Was Then, This Is Now", "Anytime, Anyplace, Anywhere", and a cover of "Kicks". My guess is Arista didn't see hit potential in the latter two.


Originally posted by Brian W. Brian W. wrote:

But its B-side, "I'm Goin' Down," is mono and is the only place to get the B-side in its 45 version. It wasn't on the deluxe editions of the albums issued a few years back.

The mono single version of "Goin' Down" is now available on "The Monkees 50" compilation from last year.
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Originally posted by crapfromthepast crapfromthepast wrote:

Gene - From memory...

Arista released the Then And Now 2-LP greatest hits set in 1986, which included a newly-recorded called "That But Then This Is Now" (produced by Michael Lloyd, and originally recorded in 1985 by the Mosquitos). Arista released the new song as a 45, and it did respectably. Arista turned to "Daydream Believer" as a follow-up single, but let Michael Lloyd remix it to fit in with the 1986 bombastic-drum-sound stuff on the charts. Radio largely ignored it.

The 1986 "Daydream Believer" remix that hit the charts was NOT subtle; it was a drastic overhaul that brought the (rerecorded?) drums WAY out in front. You'd know it if you heard it, and you'd scratch your head afterward wondering why it even exists.

The new remix was released on a 45 on Arista, and I think there would have been a promo 45 as well (I can't confirm). I have the track on an Arista promo-only multi-artist LP (can't recall the title offhand).

The Bill Inglot remix is faithful to the original mix, and is extremely tasteful in comparison.


Ron,

I take it the 45 released in 1986 never made it to CD, correct? Pat's database makes no differential between the 1986 release and any other release. I would think since it was a big #1 hit that even a remix like that would be included somewhere on CD, no?

https://www.discogs.com/The-Monkees-Daydream-Believer/master /510228

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Rich - I haven't found it on CD at all. I think that all parties involved with this remix would like it to quietly fade into oblivion!
There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one Crap From The Past.
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Originally posted by JL328 JL328 wrote:

The 45 Version has a :07 spoken
introduction. It was a dialog between Davy Jones and
somebody concerning which take they were on.


Just FYI, that "somebody" was producer Chip Douglas.

For those curious about the 1986 remix, here it is:

Daydream
Believer 1986 remix
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The 1986 Remix of "Daydream Believer" is on the "Classic Album Collection" box set on the Bonus Disc.
The 2018 compilation An Introduction To The Monkees, Vol. 2 has a version of "Goin' Down" labelled as "Single Version", but there's no indication in the
liner notes as to it being mono or stereo. I found the box set at an FYE store and the Vol. 2 compilation at a Barnes & Nobles store.

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