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Scanner ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 14 August 2019 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Since Paul is no longer posting about Record Research
here, I think it is time for long-time Record Research devotees as many of us are to express to Paul and his RR colleagues our concerns, hopes and suggestions for Joel's collection and the future of RR. Although shared in another post, I believe this best summarizes the current situation: https://forgottenhits60s.blogspot.com/2024/10/the-joel- whitburn-collection.html It would be practically criminal for Joel's music collection not to wind up at the Library of Congress, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame or some similar institution. The historical significance of the music he collected is simply undeniable and deserving of such preservation for future generations. As for the research, I hope Paul's "heart for the charts" will help him evolve his research to other formats such as on-demand print or digital publications sourced from a comprehensive database that will encompass many of the books and genres that have not been updated in several years (e.g. AC, Christmas, Country albums). It may take time to build this database especially for those books that have never been updated or even published (e.g. album books for Cashbox and Record World, Cashbox country singles, R&R's charts other than Pop). If Billboard could be trusted, I would even recommend sourcing publication to them. But, with their website focused less on the charts and more on advertising and cross promotion with other sites owned by their parent, I doubt they could ever produce chart data of the quality we have been spoiled by from Record Research for over five decades. With Billboard's clunky and advertising overwhelmed chart data, I would also recommend seeing whether RR could develop its own online subscription database where one could easily research chart data for any artist. The data is already licensed - its publication and distribution by RR would need to be updated. Please let Paul and RR know how you feel so that in some way they will know how much their work has been appreciated all these years and our hope that it will continue in some way in the future. |
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Chartman ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 26 February 2016 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Your url went nowhere. Did a quick search at the Forgotten
Hits site and came up with this. https://forgottenhits60s.blogspot.com/search? q=joel+whitburn+collection |
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Chartman ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 26 February 2016 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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My first RR book was the 2nd edition of "Top Pop Singles"
- maybe back in 1973... had to save my paper route money for it as it was fricking expensive! My last book was 2020's "Rock Tracks". During the preceding 5 years I noticed that RR was headed downhill. Now when I keep getting their "going out of business" - ah I mean the 45% off - emails, just sounds like Paul's last post supported company liquidation. Not sure how much input Paul actually had. Joel did make some "interesting" decisions. I have expressed my concern that Joel should have concentrated more on his legacy in his later years. Obviously the record collection is one of a kind and beyond priceless. Somebody should buy the collection and building for a gazillion dollars. Turn it into a museum. To lose that collection would be a giant historical f*ck up. RR should be devoted to its preservation. RR is essentially a one book enterprise now (I just consider the Annual a stepsister to the Pop Annual) and likely has published it's last book. A variety of reasons for that. I have asked RR to make their research materials available to the general public. American Radio History would die for the early Music Vendor magazines and other documents. Hell... they will even scan them for posterity sakes. But I'm afraid they will be lost forever. That is an avoidable outcome, so I can hope. Joel's legacy should extend beyond the RR company. Kent Kotal recognizes this but doesn't sound too optimistic. : ( Edited by Chartman |
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kingofskiffle ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 19 November 2018 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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If this is the end - and of course no end announcement has been made -
then it has been wonderful but an end is not entirely unexpected due to the change in the landscape for both print books and this type of resource given the rise of the internet. Go back even 10 years and print books where the preferred method not just for us but also for much of the world for data of the type RR produce. The UK chart market effectively stopped putting out print books in about 2005 or so with a last gasp in 2009. There was a print on demand return in 2019 but it’s a very different proposition today to what it was. As RR have said, print costs have gone up. The data is magnificent within the books but the 2016 Albums book is huge. I would not cut any of it but it is huge and that must cost a massive amount to print. Part of me hopes they do pivot to a digital setup, maybe one with a subscription type model so that they can guarantee money coming in but also provide a semi- regular update a bit more easily. Given the slow nature of the charts - single one week large artists aside - that might work. If this is the end then I want to thank Paul for his work on the books and of course we all would thank Joel for starting it all off and doing it so well - the gold standard is, was and probably always will be the RR books. |
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Scanner ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 14 August 2019 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Not looking promising:
https://forgottenhits60s.blogspot.com/2024/11/joel-whitburn- day.html |
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Chartman ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 26 February 2016 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Figured the company is history, but I urge Paul to contact David Gleason
and have him scan copies of the old music periodicals for historical preservation. Particularly Music Vendor. The music vault belongs in the Smithsonian but somehow I don’t believe the Whitburn Estate has much interest in preserving Joel’s legacy. Curious if Joel even considered what happens to his collection in case he passes. We’ll probably never know. |
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Scanner ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 14 August 2019 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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All of the periodicals belong in a library. I have been
to many music libraries including the best ones at the Library of Congress in DC and the Lincoln Center library in NYC, but neither has a complete collection from Billboard, Cashbox, R&R or Record World. Some of their collections are microfilm which does not age well. If they are not going to continue to publish in any form, I wish these would be donated to one of these libraries or, as someone has suggested, scanned for a site like World Radio History. I am not certain how such donations would work. Would one of these libraries pay for these collections? I imagine Whitburn's heirs would want to monetize this "inheritance" in some way. Joel must have spent $$$ buying and storing all this music and magazines through the years. Unless they have the same passion for music and the charts, I doubt maintaining a legacy will be enough to justify the cost to keep this going. |
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Scanner ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 14 August 2019 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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The latest RR sale is for the most recent Pop Albums book.
I have two questions which I hope someone can answer: * Does this include albums that bubbled under the Billboard 200? Billboard published a Bubbling Under chart from 1970 to 1985 for albums and I was hoping this data is included in this book as it is for Pop Singles. * Just how enormous is this book?!? The website shows the book's width is only a quarter inch more than Pop Singles 1955-1989. But, the Pop Albums book has nearly twice as many pages as the Pop Singles 1955-1989 book (856 vs. 1,600)! |
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AutumnAarilyn ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 22 August 2019 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Yes, bubblers were included and as proof, I see Jerry
Garcia's Hotteroll? went to #201. On page 8, it states that those charts gave 4 to 35 positions. It also includes an alphabetical list of all of the songs on those albums with their individual chart positions. That really adds to the size of the book which is enormous. Edited by AutumnAarilyn |
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Scanner ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 14 August 2019 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Thanks, Autumn. Do you (or anyone else!) have the Singles
book to compare the size of the Albums book to? I thought that book was quite large. I can't imagine how much bigger the Albums book must be if it has nearly twice as many pages! |
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