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    Posted: 13 October 2006 at 2:56pm
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the 45's actual running time is 4:08 and not 4:00 as listed on the 45's label...

this should be noted in the db

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Pat, I have some thoughts on the notation that you currently show for this song. The "Mony Mony" studio v was first released as a single (Chrysalis 2543) in September 1981, and "Bubbled Under", at #107, on Billboard. This actual (3:21) version was taken from the exact same recording as his 1987 DJ 45's "Single Edit", from his debut solo LP, "Don't Stop". The original LP v runs (5:01), but the 1981 45 was more highly edited than the 1987 "Single Edit". Perhaps inspired by what Capitol did for Duran Duran's "Save A Prayer", who also dredged up the old studio v to pair up on the 45 with the song's live v two years earlier, in 1985, Chrysalis chose to do the same thing here. But you currently state that "DJ copies of this 45 ran (4:15), which was called a 'Single Edit' which was not really a single edit because this version was a studio version." Pat, I wish that Chrysalis had instead titled this 1987, (4:15) DJ 45 version something clearer and more specific, like "Edit Of Studio Version", or "New Edit Of Studio Version". But it really IS still a "Single Edit", though, isn't it? The LP v ran longer, at (5:01). The question is, "A Single Edit of WHAT?" Just because it wasn't a "Single Edit" of the live v doesn't mean it's not a "Single Edit" at all, does it? I'm not trying to be difficult here, Pat, I'm only trying to help. And whatever you decide to do with your current song notation for "Mony Mony", I will support it.

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Most CHR/Top-40 stations played the "single edit" even thought the commercial single AND the video contemporaneously on MTV was the "live" version.

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Does anybody know the edit points for taking the 5 minute version down to the 4:15 DJ version?

I've been digging for the CDs listed in the database, & finally decided it would be easier for me to edit the album version. (Besides the fact that the CDs in the database all seem to be too short!)

Can anybody help?

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If you mean the DJ edit for the studio version, it actually runs 3:21.
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Actually, if you look at the above post, 3:21 was the original 1981 edit of the 5:01 album version; when the live version was released, they put out a less aggressive 4:15 edit of the 5:01 album version.

It's that second, "hit" edit (the one most of the Top-40s of the day were playing in 1987) that I'm looking for the edit points of.

I've played & heard the album version so long, I can't remember what should be missing!
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I went huntin' for a promo 45 copy online, all of them contain "Shakin' All Over" as the 'B' side. Odd.
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To eriejwg (John):

They must not be real promo copies; to the best of my knowledge only the commercial copies had "Shakin All Over" as the b-side.

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Originally posted by eriejwg eriejwg wrote:

I went huntin' for a promo 45 copy online, all of them contain "Shakin' All Over" as the 'B' side. Odd.


The 4:15 "Single Edit" was actually designated as the AA side, rather than the B-side.

Were there two different 1987 DJ 45s, perhaps? I only have the A/AA copy shown in the label scan.
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Yah Shure, you have the 4:15 single edit?

Could you post the edit points? This is one I'm having a terrible time getting a copy of...
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