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    Posted: 17 May 2007 at 12:41am
Pat, my commercial 45, which is stereo, has a listed time of (3:15), but an actual time of (3:26), not the (3:51) you state in the database. I believe my promo 45 has the (3:51) length, but I will need to double-check that info for you at a later date. My (3:26) time appears to be within a second or two of what you state to be the "LP length". The deadwax for my 45 is "M1239F - 61470 RE-1 08A", so my 45 is likely not the initial 1973 45 pressing.
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Just pulled my commercial copy to double check and I get a time of (3:53) while the record lable states (3:51). Matrix number is M1239f - 61470-S 17A.
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i received the 3:55 running version of the song from mark
for review from the cd 'to love again' and it runs 0:02
longer than the long 45 version at 3:53..... a minor
differences though.....it has a long fade.....if you fade
for 0:29 from 3:24 to 3:53, you can properly re-create the
long 45 version...also...this cd version has the piano
intro in the left channel while the vinyl 45 has it more
centered....other than the the piano intro and fade they're
the same version....
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Based on the piano panning, would it be most accurate for Pat to list this version as "Neither the 45 or LP version"?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Pat doesn't designate version differences for things like panning or volume levels. This is the reason that many stereo versions of songs that were mono on the 45 don't get an "LP version" designation.

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i agree with aaron....it's the same version just a subtle
delivery issue....no need for the 'neither' designation...
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I agree with Pat's policy to not make database notations just for stereo panning differences. Now, if we're talking about mix differences between two sources where vocals/instruments are more prominently brought to the foreground or pushed into the background, or reverb is added or removed, then I would support a "45/LP mix" designation in these instances (a policy which Pat already implements) because these mix alterations are clearly intended to affect the overall sound and feel of a recording.

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Originally posted by Todd Ireland Todd Ireland wrote:

I agree with Pat's policy to not make database notations just for stereo panning differences. Now, if we're talking about mix differences between two sources where vocals/instruments are more prominently brought to the foreground or pushed into the background, or reverb is added or removed, then I would support a "45/LP mix" designation in these instances (a policy which Pat already implements) because these mix alterations are clearly intended to affect the overall sound and feel of a recording.

This is where I tend to disagree with Pat's policy; however, I respect his decision that was made long ago. I've also never quite understood the difference between "LP mix" and "LP version."

With regards to "vocals/instruments are more prominently brought to the foreground or pushed into the background," this is the case with probably hundreds of stereo/mono versions that have no designation in the database. Just listen to any "wide stereo" mix vs. the mono 45, and the differences are day and night. Pat's policy, though, only accounts for differences when there is something added or taken away from the song, such as added reverb or a missing instrument.
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To clarify the two versions out on 45. The longer 3:51
version was meant for the LP and the 3:26 version was done
for the commercial 45 but the tapes were mislabeled so the
first pressing 45's (promo & stock) got the long version
and the short version wound up on the first stock copies
of the Touch Me In The Morning album. This was caught and
corrected by Motown during it's chart run. First pressings
of the album also feature a Deke Richards mix of "We Need
You" where Diana sounds like she's singing the song
underwater so that was corrected as well on the second
pressings.
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Wow, that's interesting. Where did you discover this? I always thought it was odd that the 45 was longer than the LP, but then again, we've seen examples where this was done on purpose - where the label thought the song should be longer than what was originally included on the album. So I just thought that was the case.

I do believe the CDs of the "Touch Me In the Morning" album all go by the original release of the album - using the accidental short version for "Touch Me...". Perhaps the recent Deluxe Edition used the long version in its place - they are really good at paying attention to detail and giving the fans all they could want.
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