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    Posted: 04 October 2007 at 4:43am
Instead of using the single mix of Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is they just chopped off the beginning to match the radio edit. But it's wrong, it has the talking which was mixed out of the 45.

Beginnings has two wrong edits to try to recreate the 45.

DJ edit of Wishing You Were Here is on the collection and it's correct.

I'm surprised they included these.

I don't have the CD, I'm listening to it at

www.lite98.com/cc-common/mfeatures/chicagoOD
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My comments on Beginnings assumes that there was not a stereo edit made in 1969 or 1971 which may have been different than the mono. I have never seen or heard one from that time period. There could have been one prepared but never released. My guess though is that this is a re-creation which is not an exact match. Maybe there are some comments in the CD booklet which I don't have yet.
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Bill:

Is this a radio only release? There's not even a mention on
Chicago - The Band's website.
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I noticed that it has a 3:26 version of Question 67 & 68. You can buy the CD on Amazon. Read some of the reviews...it mentions single edits.

http://www.amazon.com/Best-Chicago-40th-Anniversary/dp/B000U JBY4W/ref=sr_1_5/103-7458530-0152610?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=119 1516347&sr=1-5
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Sounds like Questions may be the 1971 45 length. same for Beginnings.
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Well, my curiosity got the best of me. Picked one up on eBay for 9.95 + shipping.

Hopefully too, Pat will get a copy of this CD for review. That way, we'll know for sure if it's proper 45 versions or unsuccessful recreations.
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Originally posted by BillCahill BillCahill wrote:

Instead of using the single mix of Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is they just chopped off the beginning to match the radio edit. But it's wrong, it has the talking which was mixed out of the 45.


Not only that, the DJ version is dry, and is mono.

Quote Beginnings has two wrong edits to try to recreate the 45.


The 45 edit is terrible, and it has a false ending. But, if one needs it, I have recreated it. I have also made my own, better "single" edit.

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The DJ 45 version of "Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is" also had a stereo side for radio so it wasn't just mono. That stereo DJ side was issued on LP, The original Chicago Greatest Hits LP, and the midline LP release "If You Leave Me Now". When Chicago's Greatest Hits made it to CD they changed it to the LP version with the piano intro cut off, but the "If You Leave Me Now" CD kept the stereo DJ version, although the tape it came from was not all that great.

The actual stock 45 is the same mono mix as the mono DJ version with the talking mixed out, but has a longer intro, and that longer stock 45 version has not been issued in stereo.

I have the stereo DJ copy and the quality on that mix was great, (Unlike on the If You Leave Me Now CD) but as Hit Man notes, it didn't have as much reverb. Background vocals are center, not off to the side.

This new Best Of Chicago CD would have been an excellent opportunity to release the stereo DJ mix in better quality than the "If You Leave Me Now" CD, but instead we get a chopped LP version with a mastering error on the intro.

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Well, mine went back out the door this morning. Already sold it! :)
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Originally posted by BillCahill BillCahill wrote:

The DJ 45 version of "Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is" also had a stereo side for radio so it wasn't just mono. That stereo DJ side was issued on LP, The original Chicago Greatest Hits LP, and the midline LP release "If You Leave Me Now". When Chicago's Greatest Hits made it to CD they changed it to the LP version with the piano intro cut off, but the "If You Leave Me Now" CD kept the stereo DJ version, although the tape it came from was not all that great.

The actual stock 45 is the same mono mix as the mono DJ version with the talking mixed out, but has a longer intro, and that longer stock 45 version has not been issued in stereo.

I have the stereo DJ copy and the quality on that mix was great, (Unlike on the If You Leave Me Now CD) but as Hit Man notes, it didn't have as much reverb. Background vocals are center, not off to the side.

This new Best Of Chicago CD would have been an excellent opportunity to release the stereo DJ mix in better quality than the "If You Leave Me Now" CD, but instead we get a chopped LP version with a mastering error on the intro.


I have strong suspicions that the "If You Leave Me Now" CD contains a vinyl dub of the DJ 45 version. Listening in headphones, I can definitely hear noise reduction, and there is low frequency rumbling on the ending reverb. I also detect some groove distortion on some of the horn passages.
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