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    Posted: 20 August 2005 at 9:26pm
anyone know if 3 songs by msm where ever issued in 45 format on cd

bad boy (3:42)
falling in love (uh-oh) (3:07)
betcha say that (3:40)

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I know that "Bad Boy" (single) only came out on a TM Century promotional CD, and that's the only place it's out. I'm pretty certain "Betcha" (single) has never been on CD.
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I have the TM disc that has "Bad Boy" and it sounds to me like a tape source, rather than just a transfer from the vinyl 45.
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Edtop40, all three of those 45 versions have been released on the Gloria Estefan & Miami Sound Machine "Hits" promo CD (ESK 1336).

After AndrewChouffi referenced the CD as having the 45 version of "Bad Boy" I became interested and bought it.

I was very pleased upon listening to find out it also contained the single version of "Falling In Love (Uh-Oh).

To my knowledge, the singles in which the 45 version differs from the album version that are included on this disc are:

Bad Boy *
Falling In Love *
Betcha Say That *
Anything For You
1-2-3

The tracks with an asterisk are those which as far as I know are available on CD promo only.




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Though I have the TM Century CD that has the 45 version of "Bad Boy", I don't understand why the song wasn't included on the Gloria Estefan "Greatest Hits" CD that was released in 1992. That's their second top ten hit and definitely one of their most popular.
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It is strange, definitely, could it have to do with some restriction on the number of tracks?

I recall that was the case with another Sony greatest hits package "12 Deadly Cyns" from Cyndi Lauper. The US version has 14 tracks as opposed to the european release which has 16 (same number of tracks on each in the case of Estefan's "Greatest Hits").

I remember asking a person close to the recording industry and they had explained to me some sort of limit or extra cost of including more than a certain number of tracks in the USA, but I honestly don't remember exactly.


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The publishing/songwriting royalties are determined differently in the US than they are in Europe. In the US, for each CD sold, the publishers and songwriters of a song receive a total of 8.5 cents, to be divided among themselves. Therefore, if a CD is to have 16 songs instead of 14 in the US, the record company has to pay out an extra 17 cents -- whereas in most European countries, the publishing/songwriting royalties are a fixed amount per CD, say for instance, $1 total for all the songs whether the CD contains 10 songs or 20 songs -- if 10 songs are on the album (in my example above), then each song's publishing/songwriting royalties will be 10 cents (to be divided among all the publishers and songwriters on that song); but if 16 songs are used, then the $1 is split among 16 songs. Therefore, in Europe, the label doesn't really care if they put on 16 songs or 10 because they pay the same total amount in publishing royalties either way. And that's why European CDs are often more loaded with songs than their US counterparts. This is a slight simplication of the facts (for instance, if a U.S. record label can convince every publisher on a record to receive less than their normal rate, for instance 3/4 of the normal rate, then the label can put on more songs without having to pay the whole 8.5 cents for each song.)

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Thanks EdisonLite, very detailed and interesting!

That's it JeffH, it's very likely that is why they left "Bad Boy" out even though its chart performance made it eligible for the compilation.

For those interested in versions of "Bad Boy", I did some research on the version included in most non USA versions of "Greatest Hits", and it's different from both the "Primitive Love" album version and the single remix found on the "Hits" promo CD (ESK 1336).

If I'm not mistaken, the single version on that US promo CD was remixed by Shep Pettibone, while the other one was mixed by Pablo Flores.


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Originally posted by elcoleccionista elcoleccionista wrote:

Thanks EdisonLite, very detailed and interesting!

That's it JeffH, it's very likely that is why they left "Bad Boy" out even though its chart performance made it eligible for the compilation.

For those interested in versions of "Bad Boy", I did some research on the version included in most non USA versions of "Greatest Hits", and it's different from both the "Primitive Love" album version and the single remix found on the "Hits" promo CD (ESK 1336).

If I'm not mistaken, the single version on that US promo CD was remixed by Shep Pettibone, while the other one was mixed by Pablo Flores.


The "hit" 45 version of "Bad Boy" was an edit of the 12" remix done by Shep Pettibone. I wasn't aware of Pablo Flores remixing this track. I do know that he did the 12" remix of "Conga".
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Thanks for the insight, Edison. Whenever I buy a Hits comp in the future, and say to myself "How did they ever leave ***** off!", I will think of your post.
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