Brother Love’s Travelling Salvation Show

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   I've never posted here until now but I sure have learned a lot from reading everyone's contributions.  What a wealth of great information!

I notice in the database for Neil Diamond's "Brother Love's Travelling Salvation Show" that there seems to be a difference between the album and single versions, and I assume it's more than the stereo vs the mono mix.  The mono MCA 45 I have for comparison is MCA-60032.  I suppose it's possible that my MCA 45 is different than the original UNI, but I don't have one to check.  Whatever the difference I haven't discovered them yet.  Can anyone give me a hint?

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Scott Young Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 06 August 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Scott Young Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Brother Love’s Travelling Salvation Show Posted: 23 October 2008 at 1:04pm
	I've never posted here until now but I sure have learned a lot from reading everyone's contributions. What a wealth of great information! I notice in the database for Neil Diamond's "Brother Love's Travelling Salvation Show" that there seems to be a difference between the album and single versions, and I assume it's more than the stereo vs the mono mix. The mono MCA 45 I have for comparison is MCA-60032. I suppose it's possible that my MCA 45 is different than the original UNI, but I don't have one to check. Whatever the difference I haven't discovered them yet. Can anyone give me a hint?

eriejwg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 43	Post Options Post Reply Quote eriejwg Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 October 2008 at 3:13pm
	Scott: Welcome to the community! I know you'll love the wealth of info gained in a short period of time. I consider the members here friends and yet I've never met any of them! Regarding your question on this song, I did a search for thread title and nothing came up under Neil Diamond. I typed in 'salvation' and this is what came up. It seems David Clark was able to discern 45 vs. LP differences. From David Clark: I just pulled my mono Neil Diamond 45 of the above, and I conclude the following. On the mono 45 there is an additional vocal overdub from 1:08 to 1:15 and from 1:23 to 1:29, tambourine taps from 2:10 to 2:31, bell overdubs from 2:30 to 2:42 and a tambourine shaking at 3:17 for a few seconds, all not present on the stereo LP version; 45 timing is 3:30 (a few seconds longer than the stereo LP version) not 3:08 as stated on the record label.

Scott Young Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 06 August 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Scott Young Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 October 2008 at 4:10pm
	Thanks eriejwg! I tried several different searches, but never using just "salvation." Can't wait to get home from work and look for those differences. For projects like this usually I put both versions in Adobe Audition multitrack and sync them for speed, and then use "solo" to pop back and forth. Subtle differences are hard to spot sometimes, so my thanks to David Clark for documenting them!

davidclark Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 20	Post Options Post Reply Quote davidclark Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 October 2008 at 5:02pm
	Your welcome, Scott. Since joining this board a couple of years ago, I too have become obsessed with documenting 45 vs. LP differences, something Pat's database doesn't detail, however the board does for some. I have an MS Access database I designed myself to track this stuff, often learning it from other friends on this board. Welcome aboard the board!
	dc1

eriejwg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 43	Post Options Post Reply Quote eriejwg Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 October 2008 at 6:12pm
	Scott: A word of advice. When doing a search, by default the search function is set to 'message body'. Use the drop down and search by 'topic subject'. That's how I used the search term salvation to find David's thread.

eriejwg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 43	Post Options Post Reply Quote eriejwg Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 October 2008 at 6:13pm
	Oh, David was kind enough to send me a dub for observation. He is entirely correct in his assessment, right down to the second. Yet another 45 to pick up for my library.

Scott Young Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 06 August 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Scott Young Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 October 2008 at 8:09am
	Thanks for all the good info guys. Having now had a chance to examine my MCA 45 in light of David's notes, I'm beginning to suspect MCA may have folded the stereo mix for that release. The only thing David mentioned that I can hear are tambourine taps from 2:10 to 2:31, which are present in the stereo mix as well. So I folded the stereo mix and to me it sounds pretty darn close to the MCA 45. The 45 runs about .5% faster than the stereo CD version, but I think that's probably within the margin of error of turntables and tape machines. So now the UNI 45 gets added to my shopping list!

eriejwg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 43	Post Options Post Reply Quote eriejwg Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 October 2008 at 9:02am
	Scott: You'll definitely notice the difference. Edited by eriejwg

Yah Shure Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 11 December 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Yah Shure Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 October 2008 at 2:37pm
	Scott, welcome! How'd that quickie move from Albania to the U.S. go? :) Yeah, it's a real roll of the dice with reissue 45s. MCA often reused the original stampers, but "often" leaves way too much wiggle room, as it appears with your copy. Anyway, hope you enjoy the ride here. Lots of learning, great teachers, and, best of all, no final exams!

Scott Young Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 06 August 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Scott Young Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 October 2008 at 3:34pm
	Yeah, that was whirlwind trip in from Albania alright. I don't even remember how I ended up way over there, and it's nice to be back! I was a little nervous relying on an MCA reissue to be the real deal, but when I played it and it was mono I was encouraged...right up until I tried to find the single version overdubs!