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    Posted: 22 August 2009 at 11:11pm
I just checked my copy of First Generation (Virgin Records compilation), and "Return To Innocence" has a synth note overlapping the opening vocal chant. This synth note is not present on the 4:03 "Radio Edit," which I presume to be the 45 version.

I don't own a copy of the full-length album to compare. Is the overlapping intro/outro the only difference between the "Radio Edit" and LP version?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aaronk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 August 2009 at 8:55am
By the way, the reason I posted this information is that the database makes no mention of the overlapping synth note on the First Generation CD. The database also says that DJ copies run (4:07) and not (4:03) as stated on the label. What's interesting is that my TM Century GoldDisc does actually run (4:03), and I would presume they took the song directly from a promo or commercial CD single. Does the commercial CD perhaps run 4:03? How about the cassette single?
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Aaron, in case it might help, here is my 1994 promo CD single information, although it does not feature an actual (4:03) version:

Enigma-"Return To Innocence" (DPRO-14123)
1-Radio Edit (listed 4:03; actual 4:07, no opening synth note)
2-Short Radio Edit (listed 3:01; actual 3:02, no opening synth note)
3-380 Midnight Mix (listed 5:55; actual 5:53)
4-Long & Alive Version (listed 7:07; actual 7:05)

FYI, we played track 1 on-air as a current.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aaronk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 August 2009 at 7:31am
There's one other thing I wanted to bring up about the song on First Generation. I noticed there are faint sound effects of crashing waves over the intro. They can be heard all the way until the drums kick in. I would presume this was taken directly from the full-length album, so it's possible these sound effects carry over from the previous track. If they are not part of the previous track, we might actually have a 45/LP difference, because there are no sound effects on the Radio Edit.
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Bumping this back up, since the database has not yet been modified. As far as I can tell, an LP/45 distinction is needed, because the LP version has sound effects over the intro that are not on the single.

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I'm pretty sure the radio edit is the same mix as the LP version. From memory it segues/mixes in from the previous track which is "I Love You...I'll Kill You" I believe. Enigma was famous for having radio edits that are edited from the album so it stands alone as a single version. This is what initially attracted me to the group. "Sadeness Part I" is another example. The second single "Mea Culpa Part II" did the same thing.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aaronk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 September 2009 at 5:09pm
Thanks for chiming in, John. If anyone is an Enigma expert on this board, it's you. Just to be sure, though, can you pull out your full-length album to listen for the crashing waves sound effects I'm talking about? They are definitely not present on the single.

At the very least, some sort of notation is needed for the First Generation compilation, since it sounds like they took this from the album rather than the single.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote chendagam Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 September 2009 at 5:57pm
Yeah it's the end of "The Eyes of Truth." "I love u..." comes after. The note you hear is from the previous track. The radio edit is the same length just separated from the album.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aaronk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 September 2009 at 6:16pm
The crashing waves sound effects are from the prevous track, too? If so, that's quite a long segue, lasting for more than 20 seconds.
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Thanks to John G., I was just able to hear how the songs on the album segue together. John, would you consider the waves to be part of the previous track or part of "Return To Innocence"? There is about 20 seconds of wave sound effects on the end of the preceding track and about 20 seconds on the intro of "Return." Is this enough to warrant a "version" designation?
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