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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8 |
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Interesting history with this song.
Dug out my commercial 45, Geffen 28562, 1986, "Edited from the Wang Chung album MOSAIC", printed 3:59 (no designation), actual 4:16, 128.8 BPM throughout. The first instance of the 45 edit on CD was on Silver Eagle/Warner Special Products' 3-CD After Hours (1990). Unfortunately, this version has tape drag that slows it down at the end of the track. It starts off at 129.3 BPM and ends at 128.5 BPM. Not good. There are a few others that use the same analog transfer as After Hours, including Razor & Tie's 2-CD Totally '80s (1993), Time-Life's Sounds Of The Eighties Vol. 4 1986 (1994; digitally identical to Totally '80s after the 0:38 mark), and JCI's Only Dance 1985-1989 (1995). All suffer from the same tape drag. Bill Inglot did a new edit for on Rhino's 7-CD Like Omigod box (2002), based on the mastering for Mosaic. However, he missed the second edit (detailed below) and instead faded early. It's not the true 45 edit. If you have the TM Century library, the version on GoldDisc 936 is a homemade edit done on a differently-EQ'd digital clone of Mosaic. The version on The A List Disc 34 is based on the TM edit. These are both the true 45 edit. They're not all that common, though, so in order to get the 45 edit with no tape drag and no clipping, you likely have to make your own. The LP version first appeared on Geffen's Mosaic (1986), where it runs 128.8 BPM throughout. It sounds just fine with nice dynamic range, although the levels are a bit low and there's about 4 dB of headroom. Lots and lots of discs use the same analog transfer as Mosaic, including Priority's Rock Of The '80s Vol. 4 (1993, too loud and clips), MCA's Greatest Rock Hits Of The '80s (1996), Universal's Retro Lunchbox Squeeze The Cheeze (1997, differently EQ'd digital clone), Simitar's Number Ones Party Time (1998), Madacy's Rock On 1987 Everybody Have Fun Tonight (1998, digital clone with added compression), Rhino's Millennium New Wave Party (1999, too loud and clips), and Time-Life's 2-CD Modern Rock Vol. 9 Mid-'80s (2000; digitally exactly 3.5 dB quieter than Rock Of the 80's Vol. 4). The next analog transfer of the song was the 1997 Greatest Hits disc. It sounds surprisingly good for a 1997 disc: it's not severely compressed/limited, it has a reasonable EQ with a little more low end than Mosaic, and I couldn't hear any evidence of noise reduction on the fade. There are digital clones of the GH on Universal's Pure '80s (1999; compression added and fade truncated by a few seconds) and Realm's 3-CD Greatest Hits Of The '80s Vol. 3 (2002; different EQ). I'm going to base my editing instructions on the 1997 Greatest Hits disc, which I think sounds a tiny bit better than Mosaic for this track. To recreate the 45 edit: Keep the 404 beats from 0:00 to 3:09.2. Edit on the true downbeat following the line "spread the word". Remove the 48 beats from 3:09.2 to 3:31.6. Keep the 88 beats from 3:31.6 to 4:12.6. Edit on the true downbeat following the line "everybody have fun". Remove the 16 beats from 4:12.6 to 4:20.1. Keep from 4:20.1 to 4:46.8 (end). Your mixdown will run 4:17.0 including outro silence, or about 4:16 without outro silence, and will have edits at 3:09.2 and 3:50.2. Edited by crapfromthepast |
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Indy500 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 29 January 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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How has the 12" version (12'' Inches Of Fun)(Jellybean Benitez Mix)avoided CD all these years?
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Fetta ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 26 April 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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If anyone is interested in hearing this, please let me know. I have a
needle drop taken from an unplayed mint promo 12". |
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Fetta: I am. djstevesharp@gmail.
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Indy500 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 29 January 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I found it !! Dance Classics Pop Edition Vol 7 RDM249. And it sounds superb. |
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mjb50 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 28 April 2021 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 19 |
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It is not possible to make the 45 version by editing the album version. They use slightly different mixes. Use headphones and compare the panning of the backing vocal tracks. Examples:
• Nick's ad-libs at 1:32, 1:45, 1:59, 3:16, 3:21, 3:26. The album mix has them dead center, the 45 has them panned left. • At 3:31 the 45 pans a "whoo" right instead of center. • At 3:45 the 45 pans a female ad-lib left and Nick's "oo yeah" right. The album puts them much closer together. • Right before the seam at 3:50, a truncated backing vocal is panned hard right on the album, but is centered on the 45. • There are a few more examples after that, including at 3:58, the album has a right-panned snippet of female vocal but the 45 has it centered (maybe even slightly left). I have the 45 version on the actual US 45 (styrene pressing), as well as on the US promo 12". They play at the same speed. The 45 fades out at 4:11.3 (not 4:16 like Ron's), and the 12" fades out a little later, at 4:17.0. [edit: I mixed these up when posting. The 12" is 4:11, the 12" is 4:17.] I have a rip of the Totally '80s CD which reportedly (by Ron above) has tape drag. However, I found that it keeps pace with the 45 quite well, and is actually slightly faster, ending up slightly under a half-second ahead before fading out 2 seconds too soon. *shrug* Edited by mjb50 |
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4:14
45pm The run time of this 45 is 4:14 and seems to match the 45 version from After Hours which also runs 4:14. |
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davidclark ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 14 |
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WOW! This news of these differences escaped my attention all these years. I
have the 2011 creation in my library, so I'll have to go back to the real 45 version now. Since the version I have on CD, from Time-Life "Sounds Of The Eighties 1986", has the tape drag toward the end, I ask did the 45 have that too? If not, is there a 45 version on CD that doesn't? Might be a job for the new database administrator to update the DB on this one! Edited by davidclark |
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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8 |
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45 version
There seems to be only one analog transfer out there for the true 45 version. It first appeared on Silver Eagle Records/Warner Special Products' 3-CD After Hours (1990). It runs 4:15, has a decent EQ, nice dynamic range, and does not show any signs of added noise reduction (no loss of high end on the fade). At the time, the major labels sent the source material to Warner Special Products on analog reel-to-reel tapes. There must have been something screwy with the playback deck used for After Hours, because quite a few tracks on After Hours show tape drag in the last minute or so of the song. So in addition to not using the lowest-generation source tapes (the analog copy sent to WSP being at least one generation removed from the two-track mixdown tape), After Hours has tape drag issues. As much as I love After Hours due to its being one of the very first '80s pop collections on CD, I recommend seeking out other sources for the tracks when possible. The same analog transfer as After Hours (tape drag and all) is used on:
There's a different analog transfer on the rare promo CD set Warner Chappell Song Catalog (CDWC-6) (1991), which runs about 16 beats shorter than After Hours, cuts off the first few opening notes, but has a little less tape drag than After Hours. Avoid for this track. Edited by crapfromthepast |
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mjb50 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 28 April 2021 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 19 |
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Thanks for the update.
I'm unable to verify the tape drag issue. I have a couple of BPM counters, but I find they disagree with each other, as well as themselves, so I'm hesitant to place much faith in them. John, that YouTube clip you linked is using a CD source, I think the Totally '80s mastering. I would not infer anything about the actual 45 length from that. People have a habit of misrepresenting things like that, showing pictures of vinyl records as the audio from a CD plays. I much prefer the clips where there's obvious vinyl noise or where you can see the record on the turntable. However, I made a mistake when I said my 45 plays 4:11. It plays 4:17! It's the 12" that fades out at 4:11. What I said about the overall speed being almost identical to that of the CD mastering, though, is correct. I'm happy to share my transfer for further analysis. David, to be fair, since the only differences are in how certain elements are panned, it's quite understandable that no one would notice. In fact, I feel I'm being quite the nitpicker here! |
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