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    Posted: 29 May 2007 at 7:24am
Here's something where I'd like some input. In my personal database, which I've had going since the late '80s, I track which 45 versions are a different recording/performance from their LP counterpart (as opposed to being an edit/different mix/different arrangement/different vocals/overdub or undubbed/etc. of the same basic recording). I personally like the Chat here because we can ask each other questions on this, i.e., how the 45 and LP versions differ, however this info doesn't make it to Pat's database.

I've prepared a list of what I believe to be 45s where they are a different performance from the LP. I put it out for feedback/comment/additions/subtractions. The list is based on what I know - I'm sure there are others I am not aware of.

Note that a song like The Beatles "Help" doesn't make this list because the recording is basically the same - it's the vocal and a tambourine that's different.

A list of 45 versions that are the same recording yet different somehow would be rather large, so it ain't here.

Please comment at will, as any addtional info on this is much appreciated! The database might need updating in a few cases (e.g., The Leaves "Hey Joe").

1957     Harry Belafonte     Jamaica Farewell
1957     Ricky Nelson     Be-Bop Baby
1959     Freddy Cannon     Tallahassee Lassie
1960     Bobby Darin     Clementine
1961     Andy Williams     The Bilbao Song
1961     Buzz Clifford     Baby Sittin' Boogie
1961     Dave Brubeck Quartet     Take Five
1961     Drifters          Some Kind Of Wonderful
1961     Kokomo   &n bsp;   Asia Minor
1962     Ace Cannon     Tuff
1962     Ben E. King     Don't Play That Song (You Lied)
1962     Bent Fabric & His Piano     Alley Cat
1962     Peter, Paul & Mary     If I Had A Hammer (The Hammer Song)
1962     Shirelles     Baby It's You
1963     Beach Boys     Be True To Your School
1963     Drifters          Up On The Roof
1963     Marvin Gaye     Pride And Joy
1964     Beatles   & nbsp;     Please Please Me
    1964     Dr ifters         Under The Boardwalk
1964     Jan & Dean     Dead Man's Curve
1964     Joey Powers     Midnight Mary
1964     Peter, Paul & Mary     Tell It On The Mountain
1965     Barbara Mason     Yes, I'm Ready
1965     Beach Boys     Help Me, Rhonda
1965     Billy Stewart     I Do Love You
1965     Byrds    Al l I Really Want To Do
1965     Donovan     Catch The Wind
1965     Little Anthony & The Imperials     Take Me Back
1965     Otis Redding     I've Been Loving You Too Long (To Stop Now)
1965     Otis Redding     Respect
1965     Shirley Bassey     Goldfinger
1965     Solomon Burke     Got To Get You Off My Mind
1966     Bobby Fuller Four     I Fought The Law
1966     Gary Lewis & The Playboys     Sure Gonna Miss Her
1966     Herb Alpert & The Tijuana Brass     Zorba The Greek
1966     Leaves    H ey Joe
1967     Martha & The Vandellas     Jimmy Mack
1967     Nancy Sinatra     You Only Live Twice
1967     Paul Revere & The Raiders     Peace Of Mind
1967     Ray Charles     In The Heat Of The Night
1967     Spyder Turner     Stand By Me
1968     Four Jacks And A Jill     Master Jack
1969     Banana Splits     The Tra La La Song (One Banana, Two Banana)
1969     Booker T. & The MG's     Time Is Tight
1969     Canned Heat     Going Up The Country
1969     Peter, Paul & Mary     Day Is Done
1970     Bread   &nb sp;    It Don't Matter To Me
1970     Carpenters    Merry Christmas Darling
1970     Guess Who     No Time
1970     Joe Cocker     The Letter
1971     Donny Osmond     Sweet And Innocent
1971     James Taylor     Country Road
1971     Wadsworth Mansion     Sweet Mary
1972     Foot In Cold Water     (Make Me Do) Anything You Want
1973     Bette Midler     Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy
1976     Keith Carradine     I'm Easy
1978     Eddie Money     Two Tickets To Paradise
1983     Frank Stallone     Far From Over

Unknown as to if the 45 version is an edit/alteration of the LP version or a different recording/performance:

1967     Al Martino     Mary In The Morning
1986     Cars   &nbs p;I'm Not The One


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You can add:

1978 Dolly Parton   Two Doors Down

-- as we recently discussed this on the board. However, later LP's pressed (after the album sold gold), they subtituted the new 45 recording for the old LP recording, but I still think this one counts.)
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What's the difference between 45 and lp versions of Midnight Mary by Joey Powers?
Live in stereo.
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Tom,

Pat has the different "Midnight Mary" designated as alternate take. My boo.
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Todd,

Without hesitation, you can add:

1972 Danny O'Keefe Good Time Charlie's Got the Blues
1972 Jackson Browne   Rock Me on the Water
1973 Loggins and Messina   Thinking of You

One other, I'm a little hazy, since I dont own the LP and its been years since I've heard it, is Looking Glass' Jimmy Loves Mary Anne-there is a different organ middle-eight and it ends cold.

There are a handful of others, but you have probably ruled them out, are J5 "Mama's Pearl"; Rare Earth's "I Know I'm Losing You" and the Beatles "Get Back" and "Let it Be", but it's your list and your criterion.
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Glad to see some are interested in my post!

John, for "Get Back", I understand the song was recorded 27 January 1969. Although the two are from the same basic take, the 45 features a spoken coda at the end recorded 28 January 1969 while the LP version features studio talk and speech, the latter recorded 30 January 1969. The two feature a different stereo mix and the 45 contains reverb while the LP version is dry. So, since it isn't a different performance, I don't have it in the above list.

"Let It Be" is similar, the basic take being recorded 31 January 1969 but the 45 and LP verions are different due to mix, length and guitar solo.

For "Good Time Charlie's Got the Blues", I understand the 45 is the same take as the LP version, albeit thoroughly remixed with additional production & editing; the promo 45 is a different recording - it is shorter and features a flute where the 45 and LP version feature added percussion (bongos) and a harmonica.

If I am incorrect on the above, please enlighten me!

For "Thinking Of You" and "Rock Me on the Water", I do not know either of the versions, so I'll take your word for it!

I do have a list of 45s that are different from their LP counterpart that does indeed include "Mama's Pearl" and 100s of others. Maybe another post someday?

Anyone can answer Al Martino or The Cars?

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Was "Two Tickets To Paradise" an entirely different recording? I always knew there were lots of overdubs---guitar, vocals, and rearrangements---but I never noticed a different vocal take for the verses and choruses. Also, I seem to remember A/B-ing the two, and they stayed in sync. That would also lead me to believe that the take/recording is the same.

The Dave Brubeck album with "Take Five" is one of my favorite jazz albums. I had no idea the single was a different take!

I haven't listened carefully enough to the LP version of "Alley Cat," but I thought it was only a difference in the reverb but not the actual recording. Good info, David.
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Both Eddie Money and Loggins & Messina were both different recordings than their LP versions.
Two Tickets has a different vocal take and guitar work.
Thinking Of You is faster and a better version than the now common LP version.
Dick Bartley played the 45 version of Thinking Of You on his American Gold show around a year ago.
You could tell it was clean vinyl.
the way it was heard on the radio
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I'm not 100% convinced the 45 version of Take Five is a different take than the LP version. Edited from the multitrack in a way that you cannot replicate that from the 2-track album master, sure, but I don't think it's an entirely new recording.

As for Up On The Roof by the Drifters, i believe the only difference between the album and single is the vocals over the intro on the album version, which you can faintly hear on the single version. Is there any other part of the song where the album and single versions are not from the same take?
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Tom,

On "Take Five", I am convinced it is a different recording, albeit quite close (except for the middle part of course). There are several points where I can tell, the first being at about 0:12. On the LP version, he doesn't play a "down" piano stroke where on the 45 he does. I mean there's a piano note missing. Hope i've described it well enough.

Good ear on "Up On The Roof" though. After listening closely, I now do believe that they are the same take. The differences are in the mix throughout, and at the beginning where the 45 repeats the musical intro twice while the LP version repeats it 4 times (with vocals preceding it and over it), and at 0:17 of the LP version where there are background vocals not present at the same point (0:13) on the 45.

Interested in other opinions...

thanks for your feedback, Tom!

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