Pointer Sisters - "Dare Me"

Much to my surprise, the 45 can't be recreated from the LP version.

I have the promo 45, with printed and actual times of 3:41 on both sides. I have the LP version (or what I think is the LP version) on Nipper's Greatest Hits/The 80's (RCA 9970-2-R, 1990).

The 45 appears to run about 0.8% slower at 108.9 BPM, compared to 109.7 BPM for the LP version.

It's difficult to hear, but I think they may be ever-so-slightly different mixes. On the LP version, over the intro, I hear a shaky percussion instrument on the off-beats very clearly in the left channel, opposite the hi-hat, which is on the right. On the 45, both the hi-hat and the off-beat shaky thing are together on the right channel.

Aside from this admittedly minor mix detail, the two versions sound pretty much the same until about 2:47 of the LP version. I thought I could do a simple edit to remove the instrumental breakdown near the end of the song, but it doesn't work. The vocal ad-libs after the expected edit point are different, and the end portion of the LP version fades a good 20 seconds before the 45 does.

Bottom line - can't recreate the 45 from the LP version. I suppose I'll have to look for the Fire - Very Best Of CD for the 45 version...

I have an old version of the book...

Todd, my friend, I actually think that Pat already has it exactly right. A side note here is that there were two different promo 45s issued for this, and not simply a "short/long" version for the same promo 45. My (4:05) promo 45 boldly states "Hot New Remix", on both sides. And while, to my knowledge, this (4:05) version has only appeared as a promo 45, to me it DOES still qualify as a "45 version". I agree with the fact that Pat currently describes all database CDs that contain a (3:41) length as the "short 45 version". It IS obviously shorter than the second, (4:05) promo 45 that was also issued in 1985. Now, if Pat would've noted "short COMMERCIAL 45 version" for the (3:41) CDs, I could then agree with you; but he hasn't. Finally, while I happened to have the listed (4:05) "Hot New Remix" promo 45 pulled out, I went ahead and timed it. It has an actual time of (4:12).

Edited by jimct

jimct wrote: My (4:05) promo 45 boldly states "Hot New Remix", on both sides.

I wonder if this remix is a short version of the "Extended Mix" from the 12" vinyl and Greatest Hits CD. RCA did that with a few Hall & Oates singles around the same time period.

Todd, I like that wording. The (3:41) commercial and promo 45s are the same. The remix was put out a month or so after the first promo 45. The song wasn't racing up the charts as quickly as many other of their early 80s 45s, and the label was looking to "provide another option/energize" the song's move up the charts.