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    Posted: 16 May 2006 at 7:16pm
thought I'd mention the following:

Roll Over Beethoven -
you could add "U.S. mix" or something to the stereo version on The Capitol Albums Vol. 1 as it had added reverb not found on the U.K. mix. I do not know how the 45 as released by Capitol Records of Canada sounded (dry or wet)

Ain't She Sweet -
recorded in Germany in 1961 with Pete Best on drums; when the 45 was mixed to mono for US 45 release, an extra drum overdub was added which is not found in the stereo mix, so technically the stereo version could be LP version, since it's that version that appears on various LPs (e.g., In The Beginning) and the mono version could be 45 version

Ticket To Ride -
LP fades a few seconds later than the 45 (needs to be added as version info), also slightly remixed in 1987 for CD

Yesterday -
mono 45 mix has an echo effect in the first bridge on "[some]thing wrong, now I long for yesterday" not present in the stereo mix (so maybe (45 mix and stereo LP mix?)

Nowhere Man -
the version on Yellow Submarine Songtrack is a remix, actually it was remixed in 1987 for the Rubber Soul CD too!

Paperback Writer -
45 has more reverb than the stereo mix, which fades earlier and was done later in 1966 for the U.K. "A Beatles Collection Of Oldies" LP; it is especially noticeable on a long "write write write" after the last verse

Hey Jude -
the LP fades earlier than the 45 (of course its first LP appearance was in 1970 on the "Hey Jude" LP, the stereo mix having been done 5 Dec 69 for that LP), so should be LP length and 45 length

Get Back -
The version on Let It Be…Naked is the 45 version remixed and missing the coda

Let It Be -
the version on Let It Be…Naked is an alternate version as it uses a different guitar solo than that of the 45 and "Let It Be" LP version and a few other edits here and there

The Long And Winding Road -
the alternate mix, released in 1996 on the Anthology 3 CD, is the same basic track as the 45 and original "Let It Be" LP version but is missing the Phil Spector-produced orchestral and choral overdubs; it features Billy Preston's organ and a guitar which Spector mixed out. So not really an "alternate take", but perhaps an "alternate mix". The version on Let It Be…Naked is indeed an alternate take (recorded 5 days later)

May 31: Pat, I made a couple of changes to what I had originally posted.

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I've been meaning to post some Beatles comments myself.

According to the expert posters on the Steve Hoffman website, every mono track on Capitol Albums Vol. 2 is not true mono, but rather a fold-down of the stereo album mixes... which, for some reason, is how the mono albums were originally released in the US. This is not true of Capitol Albums Vol. 1, I understand.

Currently, the only true mono 45 mixes are to be found on the Beatles CD Single and EP boxes, The Capitol Albums Vol. 1, and the original four British CDs.

Perhaps the comment "folded mono mix" or "not the 'true' mono mix" or something like that should be added to the mono versions for Captiol Albums Vol. 2.
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In the original batches of The Capitol Albums, Vol.2 box, only "Beatles VI" and "Rubber Soul" were mono fold-downs of the stereo mixes - this due to a production error. The wrong tapes were shipped from the vault to Capitol's mastering plant.

"The Early Beatles" and the U.S. "Help" cds were the correct mono-mix masters.

A disc jockey in Philadelphia discovered the errors on B6 and RS the day after the box was released.

Capitol was immediately alerted, has since fixed the mistakes and has already begun shipping the box containing the correct mono-mix masters for all four albums.

The only way to know the original box from the corrected version is by the number code found on the yellow sticker attached to the shrink-wrap.

Rather than explaining further, cut and paste this link.

http://www.whatgoeson.com/story.200604131.html

You'll see additional links when you scroll down the page, which explain the whole story and how to identify the corrected box from the original flawed one.

Ah yes, another nightmare for Pat with the database.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brian W. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 May 2006 at 12:55pm
My understanding is that the botched pressing used NEW fold-downs of the stereo mixes, not the original fold-downs, which did contain some differences.

At any rate, I believe no pressings of Capitol Albums Vol. 2 contain the true, dedicated mono mixes.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TomDiehl1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 May 2006 at 5:28pm
Originally posted by Rick Hunter Rick Hunter wrote:

The only way to know the original box from the corrected version is by the number code found on the yellow sticker attached to the shrink-wrap.


Both stickered versions of the box are known to contain correct discs in some copies and incorrect discs in others. You cant go by the sticker to determine if you have the correct version.
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Capitol announces manufacturing error on new CD set
by Bruce Spizer

We have learned today that there is a compilation error on the Beatles VI and Rubber Soul discs contained in the initial manufacturing run of The Capitol Albums Volume 2 box set.

In particular, the third party mastering facility incorrectly sent stereo-to-mono mixdowns of Beatles VI and Rubber Soul to the manufacturing plants. Capitol Records had ordered and approved mono masters made from the original 1965 mono tapes, which were delivered to the mastering facility directly from the Capitol vault. As soon as Capitol learned of the error, the correct mono masters were sent to the manufacturing plants for another production run. Although there is no discernable difference in the sound quality of the initial run, Capitol made the adjustment for historical accuracy.

There are subtle differences between the stereo and mono versions of a few of the songs on the two affected albums. The most noticeable is "I'm Looking Through You" on Rubber Soul. The song has a false start guitar intro unique to the Capitol stereo album (track 9 on the CD). The improperly compiled CD of Rubber Soul contains a stereo-to-mono mixdown of the song. Thus, the mono version of the song (track 21 on the CD) also has a false start intro. The mono version of the song on the corrected CD does not contain the false start intro.

Capitol will be issuing information for consumers who purchase box sets with the improperly compiled discs and wish to obtain replacement copies.

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I have both versions, which came packaged as advertised.

http://www.whatgoeson.com/story.20060423.html
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one more thing (I hope some of this makes it to the database as it's valid stuff...)

I believe the single of "The Ballad Of John And Yoko" has the end drums mixed up while the LP and CD appearances (other than "1") it fades. Anyone have the single to verify? If true, so dumb that the Singles Box used the wrong one!
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Looks like all the original US album versions get released on CD before the end of January 2014 for the 50th anniversary of the Beatles coming to America. This includes five CD debuts: The Beatles Story (stereo only), A Hard Day's Night (OST) that was on the United Artist label, Yesterday And Today (with the original butcher cover), Revolver and Hey Jude (stereo only). A total of 13 discs in the box set. You can also purchase them separately (except for The Beatles Story) for a "limited time only." It looks like these will be remastered by the same team that did the 2009 remasters (unless noted above each disc will include the mono and stereo mixes as the Capitol Albums Volumes 1 and 2 did). Looks like if you get this box set you may not need those two previously released boxes.

http://www.thebeatles.com
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This looks like a cool release! I'm definitely interested.

Quote Looks like if you get this box set you may not need those two previously released boxes.

That may depend on if you want the "duophonic" mixes from the last two sets. Don't the two Capitol Albums box sets keep the duophonic mixes of the original releases? According to this article, "All of the duophonic mixes have been replaced with the approved stereo mixes when available and some mono mixes in the few instances where no true stereo mix exists."

The article then follows with "Great care was taken to preserve the specific mixes and edits that make these U.S. albums unique, the company said. 'These tracks, originally sent to the U.S. by George Martin, have been remastered from the original 1960s U.S. master analog tapes.'"

So, it looks like they are only using the US master tapes in those instances where it was a unique mix/edit that was different from the British master tapes. The exception is the fake stereo mixes, which don't appear to be included.

I'm not sure if that takes some of the charm away from the set or not (since I didn't grow up listening to the duophonic mixes). At least the fans will now have all the albums in the same sequences as were released here, and I'm sure the sound will be excellent.

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