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Robert ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 04 March 2006 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Does anyone have a copy of this 45 (Dootone 348-B)that does not have a faded in intro? I have 3 copies and they all fade in at about 5 seconds.
It would seem, then, that the Jukebox Treasure #6009 version with the notation, "missing :05 of the intro" - if it is a fadein - is actually the correct 45 version and all the other 2:54 versions(such as on Rhino: "Best Of Doo-wop Ballads" should have the notation, "contains the complete intro," or something to that effect. Or was a there another Dootone pressing that contained the complete intro? |
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TomDiehl1 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 13 January 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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All copies of the 45 that are original Dootone/Dooto pressings are missing the full intro. Any that has the full intro, is a bootleg, and they do exist.
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aaronk ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 123 |
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This is a response from BudB, who is having trouble logging onto the message board:
"All of the original Dootone 45s and even the 78 pressings (I checked my copies) have a fade in. As the story goes, the owner of Dootone did not want the record to run over 3 minutes so he would be assured of radio air play. (Not many records ran over 3 minutes in those days.) However, that old explanation does not tell us why the original "A" side of the record "Hey Senorita" also fades in on the first pressings. "A high quality pressing on a Dootone reissue 45 from the 70's or early 80's does have the full intro to both songs without fading in to them. (This might be a bootleg although it does have the street address of the record company on the label.) Also, a 45 re-issue on the Power label has the full intro for both sides." |
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TomDiehl1 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 13 January 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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That is a bootleg...i forget where it first turned up with the full intro but the Dooto bootleg was copied off of that source... one of my vinyl collecting buddies who does a radio show that specializes in playing only the original vinyl pressings, and is very well versed in all sorts of various pressings of over a hundred thousand different records, confirmed this with me. |
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eriejwg ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 46 |
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Is the fade in recreatable?
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Paul C ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 23 October 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9 |
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Pat, I notice that the database has not been updated to reflect the information provided by the above posters.
My U.S. commercial 45, which does not state a run time, runs (2:49). This is also the run time given in Joel Whitburn's Pop Annual. It is missing the first five seconds of the version commonly found on CD. Previous posters describe the intro on the 45 as a fade-in, but I don't detect a fade-in; to my ears the first five seconds were simply chopped off. My copy has a black label which, according to the twelfth edition of Jerry Osborne's The Official Price Guide To Records, was one of four label variations Dootone used during the song's chart run in 1954-1955. In the mid-1980s I purchased a copy of Dootone 348 with the full intro that was in such prestine condition that it appeared to be brand new. This led me to immediately question its authenticity. The above posters would confirm these suspicions a quarter of a century later. The label on this unauthorized reproduction differs enough from any of the labels Dootone used in the 1950s to be easily identifiable. |
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Yah Shure ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 11 December 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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The Dootone 45 with the mailing address of "121 So. Hope St., Suite 334 Los Angeles, CA 90012-3087" shown on the label is not a bootleg. It is a legitimate reissue, dating from at least 1983, when the ZIP+4 postal code was introduced by the USPS.
Contrary to the BSN discography's assertion that Dootone closed up shop "around 1975," the label was still actively releasing new poduct past that date, as evidenced by a corner display ad in the January 23, 1982 issue of Billboard magazine for Vernon Green's "You're A Superstar" single on Dootone DOO-4801. In addition to the Hope St. address, Dootone's phone number is included in the ad. As others have mentioned, the '80s reissue is a high-quality pressing, manufactured by the same plant responsible for the colored vinyl Larry Williams Specialty 45 boxed set issued by Collectables at about the same time. |
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boynamedfoo ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 20 September 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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This one is confusing me, nearly every version of this song in the DB reads (contains the complete
introduction which is not included on the 45) except for the (rerecording) versions. Yet contrasting the songs taken from "Shout! Factory 10664 Doo Wop Love Songs (Box Set)" & "Time-Life 21078 Street Corner Symphonies" they clearly have a different beginning and ending yet are described the same. Edited by boynamedfoo |
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Pat Downey ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 01 October 2003 Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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The "Street Corner Symphonies" cd has the complete introduction, at least on my copy of that cd. The "Doo Wop Love Songs" cd on Shout Factory includes the original 45 introduction but at full volume, not faded in so I have changed the description in the database to reflect this.
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boynamedfoo ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 20 September 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I still contend that one of these two should be listed as an alternate take or rerecording, as
"Street Corner.." has piano playing 4 or 5 notes under the last sung note of "YOU", whilst "Doo Wop Love Songs" plays it's last piano note under "WITH", also the 3rd part of the 4 part harmony of "You" is noticeably different between the two. |
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