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    Posted: 16 September 2005 at 7:51am
Hi. First post, be gentle. You guys are good.

I've always enjoyed Pat's work--although I'm lagging a little behind in the books (I'll catch up before long though).

I guess I should give a little background--I have no turntable, but I've got one heck of a CD collection. I've been able to replicate a few 45s using the LP version from CD and WavePad as my editor/pitch corrector (going mostly by memory). I'm hoping for a long and enjoyable stay.

Now to my question--I see that the 45 of the Moody Blues' "Tuesday Afternoon" has a printed label time of 2:16. Is it actually that short? The shortest version I have is the 4:09 LP edit, and before my oldies station got Jack-ed they were playing a version that ran about 3:23 (which I was able to replicate with WavePad).

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Yes, the 45 version is that short; they simply fade quickly after the
first bridge ("I'm looking at myself..."). It's in mono, with the drums
mixed slightly louder.
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So while doing a search for this for a completely different reason (which I will mention in a moment), I can't believe I stumbled into what was my first post
here almost 12 years ago. Incredible where the time goes. (And yes--it has been and continues to be a long and enjoyable stay.)

Now, I'm curious about the complete LP version--apparently none of the CDs have the right one (nor does any CD have the correct 45 version either, for that
matter). They're either all edits of the LP version, or the ones that have the complete LP version have some vocal harmony overdubs missing.

My question is where do these harmony overdubs occur, and could they be grafted on from minty vinyl to create the correct LP version? And would anyone have the
inclination to do so? And what about Naomi? (Old "Electric Company" reference for you young whippersnappers. :) )
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Doug,
I can help here... the missing harmony overdubs are for
the "Evening - Time To Get Away" portion. The 45 version
is simply the first 2:16 of Tuesday Afternoon, faded very
quickly.
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Thx, Mark.

I had seen Pat's notation in the database that the harmony overdubs were missing from the "Evening-Time To Get Away" portion. I just find it odd that all CDs containing the full medley are missing the overdubs--and I was wondering whether it was possible to create a pristine digital version of the entire track with the overdubs included.

Both you and John were kind to send me the 45 version--my thanks for that.

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I have not listened to my mono 45 dub of this in awhile,
and I had forgotten how bad it was, a literal 3 second
fade as Heyward sings Tuesday Afternoon and gone! No
wonder I prefer the LP version even to this day.(the
version with the strings to the fade out.) It does show
how the record companies were so concerned about the
2:30-3:00 minute song those AM days, they butchered
songs for the airplay. You could have run it another 30-
45 seconds and still would've gotten airplay.
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Some of you are forgetting what the 45 version sounds like when it
ends. I don't hear any quick fade. They cut it right after the two cymbal
notes. Take a listen:
https://youtu.be/DSHVy-pEYSI

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Originally posted by MPH711 MPH711 wrote:

Some of you are forgetting what the 45
version sounds like when it
ends. I don't hear any quick fade. They cut it right
after the two cymbal
notes. Take a listen:
https://youtu.be/DSHVy-pEYSI



I hear a fade in the clip you posted. (Are you
listening with headphones?) Compare it to the full-
length version. The fade on the 45 actually starts in
the middle of the second cymbal tap, then fades
quickly before the next two cymbal taps.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MMathews Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2017 at 7:44pm
Yeah the quick fade was their attempt at making sound like a gentle, cold end on his vocal. But fading it quick like that just makes it sound cut-off.
I think if they had planned more time they would have mixed it to have a real cold end with a reverb tail.

They had already released "Nights In White Satin" and at that point it failed to chart in spite of AOR play - so this 2nd single was just pulled off the album and thrown out there to see how it would do...that would also explain keeping it very short for AM.
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Originally posted by garye garye wrote:

It does show
how the record companies were so concerned about the
2:30-3:00 minute song those AM days, they butchered
songs for the airplay. You could have run it another 30-
45 seconds and still would've gotten airplay.


But for someone unfamiliar with the album version, it
sounded just fine. Remember, the Moody Blues weren't
exactly a household name in 1968...they'd only had one
previous hit, and that had been a very different-sounding
song (Go Now) 4 years earlier.


Originally posted by MMathews MMathews wrote:

They had already released "Nights In
White Satin" and at that point it failed to chart in
spite of AOR play - so this 2nd single was just pulled
off the album and thrown out there to see how it would
do...that would also explain keeping it very short for
AM.


Some promo copies of NIWS had an edited version that ran
~3:10 or so. (https://www.discogs.com/The-Moody-Blues-
Nights-In-White-Satin/release/7856625)
Keep in mind that in 1968 there were very few AOR
stations, and the djs played whatever they wanted so a
given song might only get played a couple times a week.



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