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    Posted: 04 July 2006 at 10:02am
I was going over some old messages and ran into a thread about Joan Jett's "I Love Rock N Roll" from several months ago. In that thread it mentioned the 45 version ran 2:45 while the LP version ran 2:55, with one of the choruses edited out on the 45.

I can certainly understand edits of longer songs appearing on 45s so they'd be more "radio friendly", but I've always wondered why they sometimes edited shorter songs as well. Using the Joan Jett single as an example, there's just one edit in that otherwise it's the exact same as the LP. Why would they go to the trouble of doing an edit of just a few seconds when the song is already fairly short?

For that matter, I'm surprised that so many 45s were just a few seconds shorter than their LP versions, either with an early fade or an edit. (I guess in radio a few seconds matter, right?)
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Maybe it was also an artistic edit, in that they thought the song flowed a bit better with more editing than the longer version.
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Sometimes labels did it to make people buy the longer version on the LP.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote EdisonLite Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 July 2006 at 11:31pm
Maybe it's a case of shortening a 16 second intro in half. That edit gets to the first verse twice as quickly, yet the single edit would only be 8 seconds shorter than the album version. And getting to the verse quickly is an important thing for radio, as well as for hit songs.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote sriv94 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 July 2006 at 6:46am
That argument has merit, but wouldn't apply in the case of "I Love Rock & Roll," in which the edit appears toward the end.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Grant Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 July 2006 at 10:34am
Originally posted by sriv94 sriv94 wrote:

That argument has merit, but wouldn't apply in the case of "I Love Rock & Roll," in which the edit appears toward the end.
Sure it would. Perhaps editing the extra ad-libbing towards the end of a song makes it sound tighter. Short, quick, and sweet.   Get in and get out, and make the biggest impact while you're there.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote sriv94 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 July 2006 at 12:02pm
Oh, I agree with that--my point was the actual edit of "ILR&R" was toward the end, so the argument about why shave 10 seconds off that song in relation to Gordon's point about cutting the intro in half doesn't apply (since that's not what they edited).

A better song that illustrates the point is Dr. Hook's "Sylvia's Mother"--there the intro is shaved in half (but it's still a really small edit). Still another example would be Air Supply's "All Out Of Love."
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Originally posted by sriv94 sriv94 wrote:


A better song that illustrates the point is Dr. Hook's "Sylvia's Mother"--there the intro is shaved in half (but it's still a really small edit). Still another example would be Air Supply's "All Out Of Love."


Or what about Taylor Dayne's "Love Will Lead You Back" - another song where about 9 seconds is edited out of the intro, and the rest is the exact same (as far as I know).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote sriv94 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 July 2006 at 2:39pm
Of course, as far as I know the all time champ would be "Marrakesh Express" (the two second spoken intro is on the LP but not the 45). :)
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See, a person used to hearing the 45 version, or became familiar with a song via the 45 first would usually not have a problem with the edits.
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