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| jimct   Music Fan   Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Topic: Peter Brown-"Dance With Me" Posted: 28 April 2008 at 9:51am | 
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   My commercial 45 has a listed time of (3:45), but an actual time of (3:41). Unfortunately, all current database CDs for this song that state "45 version" have run times ranging between (3:46) and (3:48).
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| Todd Ireland   Music Fan   Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 28 April 2008 at 11:16am | 
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   As irritating as it can be when CD run times don't match the length of their vinyl 45 and LP counterparts, I think pretty much every die-hard 45-version-on-CD collector would have to agree it's far preferable to have the song run a bit longer on CD where it can be custom faded to match the 45 than to have the song faded out on CD too soon and thus missing the closing seconds of 45 audio altogether!
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| AndrewChouffi   Music Fan   Joined: 24 September 2005 Status: Offline Points: 44 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 28 April 2008 at 11:27am | 
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   The song ends cold; is it a pitch difference?
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| Todd Ireland   Music Fan   Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 28 April 2008 at 11:52am | 
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   Ah, good question, Andy.  I forgot about the cold ending.
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| abagon   Music Fan   Joined: 01 March 2008 Location: Japan Status: Offline Points: 0 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 29 April 2008 at 6:57am | 
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   I compared the 45 (Drive 6269) with the CD (Rhino 72130  Soul Hits Of The 70's Vol. 20). As a result, there is a pitch difference.I used my software(STEINBURG "Clean3.0") and the CD's music file approximately corresponded to the 45's music file when the pitch level was upped at +12.
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| jimct   Music Fan   Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 29 April 2008 at 8:50am | 
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   Abagon, I don't have the software you do, so I usually can't get to the bottom of my own questions. To me, the info you just provided here is worth its weight in gold. Many thanks for your excellent analysis! 
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| eriejwg   Music Fan     Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 111 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 29 April 2008 at 12:14pm | 
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   Pitched my copy up +3% and the resulting file runs 3:41.
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| abagon   Music Fan   Joined: 01 March 2008 Location: Japan Status: Offline Points: 0 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 30 April 2008 at 12:30am | 
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   Thank you for your response, Jim.
 About my above post: (STEINBURG "Clean3.0") is incorrect. (STEINBERG "Clean3.0") is correct!. sorry,abagon | |
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| crapfromthepast   Music Fan     Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 161 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 30 April 2008 at 7:27am | 
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   With regard to the pitch/tempo differences:
 I have the 45 version on Rhino's The Disco Years Vol. 1 (1990), where it runs 109.0 BPM. There are digital clones of this mastering on Rhino's cheapie Disco Hits Vol. 2, and on Time-Life's Seventies Dance Party 1978-1979 (which has a different EQ than the other two) - both are also 109.0 BPM. I have the LP version on Priority's Mega Hits Dance Classics Vol. 6, where it runs 111.8 BPM. That's a difference of 2.5%. I don't have the 45 handy (it's at home in a very large, unsorted box), but I tend to think that the Rhino CD has the proper pitch/tempo. This wouldn't be the first time that a Disco Years track is much slower than a Mega Hits Dance Classics track - "Disco Nights (Rock-Freak)" by GQ is 126.5 BPM on MHDC, but 123.2 BPM on DY and its Time-Life digital clones. Edited by crapfromthepast | |
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| Todd Ireland   Music Fan   Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23 |  Post Options  Thanks(0)  Quote  Reply  Posted: 14 March 2009 at 8:46am | 
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   Pat:
 Just wanted to bring this thread back up because the database was never updated with Jim's commercial 45 run time info for Peter Brown's "Dance with Me" (The actual run time is 3:41, not 3:45 as stated on the record label). Also, it appears all CDs with a "45 version" comment should be amended to read "45 version but slower". | |
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