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    Posted: 16 September 2020 at 7:03pm
I love this 1969 gem, and its eleven key changes. The rock-solid Hal Blaine drum part just seals the deal for me.

Mono 45 version (2:52)

The opening snare drum hit is dry, with no reverb. There's plenty of reverb on the cool drum breaks, just not on the opening snare.

It fades from about 2:38 to 2:52.

It's not available on CD.

Stereo LP version (2:57)

The opening snare drum has reverb on it. Overall, it's a slightly different mix than the 45, and is around 2% slower than the 45.

It fades from about 2:38 to 2:57.

This version shows up on Rhino's Billboard Top R&R Hits 1969 (both 1989 original release and 1993 rerelease; both are digitally identical). I think (but can't confirm) that the left and right channels are swapped on Billboard.

Non-hit 1986 remix (2:57)

Mastering engineer Steve Hoffman remixed a few of the songs on MCA's Vintage Music series, but I haven't found documentation listing which songs are remixed. "Dizzy" is one of the remixes.

Overall, it's not that far off from the original mix, and you wouldn't recognize it as a remix unless you were A/B-ing it. In the first ten seconds, there's a prominent acoustic guitar in the left channel of the original stereo LP mix. In the remix, it's much farther back in the mix. Plus, the sound of the reverb is different. In the opening snare of the stereo LP mix, you can hear the attack of the snare very clearly. In the remix, the opening attack seems swallowed up by the reverb that follows. (Thanks to David C and Mark M for helping with the A/B comparison.)

It fades from about 2:46 to 2:57. If you're unsure which version you have, check the fade. If it stays at full volume to 2:46, it's the 1986 remix.

The remix showed up first on MCA's Vintage Music Vol. 10 (1986). The same analog transfer is used on:
  • Time-Life's Classic Rock Vol. 6 1969 (1988)
  • Time-Life's AM Gold Vol. 33 The '60s Generation (2001) - digitally exactly 1.04 dB louder than Classic Rock Vol. 6 1969
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Hi Ron,

Thank you for your analysis!

I never doubt you, but I was wondering if possibly the
remix of "Dizzy" is not a steve Hoffman remix, but an
ABC remix.

I seem to recall when the Vintage Music LP series came
out that I remembered that version (possibly on a '16
Greatest Hits' or on an MCA 'Collectibles - Greatest
Hits' or something...).

The only reason I am questioning this is Steve Hoffman
was never known for slathering his late-80s remixes
with reverb.

If anybody out there has any information or conjecture
I'd love to hear it!

Thanks!

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote C J Brown Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 September 2020 at 4:28pm
Ron remarks about Hal Blaine on his "Dizzy" drumming
sound reminds me of the same on "Sweet Pea". I have a
stereo LP bub of this track and the drum is outstanding.
To me way more noticble on LP versus Cd versions.

As for Dizzy I have a 1993 MCA greatest hits CD with a
stereo version that runs 2:46. Perhaps it runs too fast?
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Bill Inglot remastered the stereo "Dizzy" for the 1993
issue of MCA's Tommy Roe Greatest Hits album and
pitched it up to match the 45. The L/R channels match the
Billboard disc. This disc is my preferred source of all
things Tommy Roe (and it even has the mono mix of
"Sheila").

The 45 mono mix had quite a bit of compression that made
the drums really pop during the breaks.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote C J Brown Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 September 2020 at 4:21pm
Thanks for that explanation of the 1993 MCA mix.

I seem to remember the"panning" effect heard of the drums
in the 45 mix of Sheila really shines on the MCA disc or
one of my Rhino title I have.
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Originally posted by C J Brown C J Brown wrote:

Thanks for that explanation of the
1993 MCA mix.

I seem to remember the"panning" effect heard of the drums
in the 45 mix of Sheila really shines on the MCA disc or
one of my Rhino title I have.


"Shelia" is in mono on the 1993 Greatest Hits but it does
indeed sound great in stereo on Rhino's "Billboard Top
Rock'n'Roll Hits 1962".
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My issue of the MCA 1993 Great Hits has Sheila in mono.
The Rhino Billboard 1982 disc has great mono sound. The
opening drums here offer a feel or hint of panning
despite being a mono track. The original ABC stereo LP
track sounds good using lots of reverb on the opening
drums. The original 45 version on Judd records uses a
different style of drumming without the opening sound.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote LunarLaugh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 September 2020 at 4:20pm
Originally posted by C J Brown C J Brown wrote:

My issue of the MCA 1993 Great Hits
has Sheila in mono.
The Rhino Billboard 1982 disc has great mono sound. The
opening drums here offer a feel or hint of panning
despite being a mono track. The original ABC stereo LP
track sounds good using lots of reverb on the opening
drums. The original 45 version on Judd records uses a
different style of drumming without the opening sound.


My copy of the Billboard 1962 disc is the original 1988
Rhino version. The 1993 Rhino reissue of this
compilation may contain the mono mix instead.
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When I get a chance I will dig out my copy of the Rhino
1962 to see what I have.
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Are we discussing Dizzy, or Sheila? I'm
not able to follow along well without
getting confused.
Live in stereo.
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