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hellogator ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 16 May 2023 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I would like to solve some of the mysteries where titles
re-enter the chart or enter after a long delay. Some mysteries are easy to solve, such as the reason "The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face" was released about three years because it was included in a film. Also "The Twist" charted twice because two separate age groups became interested during different years. I can't figure out why Judy Collins "Send In The Clowns" hit the Top 40 twice. Or why Olivia Newton-John's "I Honestly Love You" barely missed the Top 40 in 1977. Any ideas about those two? I noticed another trend, especially in the 80's where a huge Top 40 hit single, such as "Every Breath You Take", Van Halen's "Jump", or "Dancing In The Dark" causes that artist's back catalog to re-enter the album chart. One other mystery I am trying to solve is the cause of seven Beatles albums to re-chart in March 1984. There weren't any Beatles songs in the Top 40 that month, and John Lennon's "Nobody Told Me" was released in January, not March. I was wondering if it was due to a Hall Of Fame Induction or a Grammys Lifetime Achievement. Does anyone happen to know? |
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Hykker ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 30 October 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2 |
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"I Honestly Love You" seems to have been reissued in 1977, since it has a different catalog # from the 1974 release. No idea why, maybe
featured in a movie? Maybe Paul H. can shed some light on this...was a catalog single (ie-not one that was being re-worked by the label) eligible for re-charting in those days or did it have to be a currently issued 45? Today anything goes, but I'd thought things were more structured in the old days. One you didn't mention was "Light My Fire"'s recharting in 1968, doubly odd since "Hello I Love You" was current then. |
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Paul Haney ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 April 2005 Status: Offline Points: 22 |
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"Send In The Clowns" was reissued due to the release of the film version of the Broadway musical "A Little Night Music."
"I Honestly Love You" was reissued to help promote Oliva's first Greatest Hits album on MCA. The Beatles albums charted in 1984 because Capitol did a huge publicity push for the band's 20th Anniversary of landing in America. Edited by Paul Haney |
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FrankG ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 31 March 2019 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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In addition to what Paul wrote below, I believe that
Elektra re-released "Send In The Clowns" because it was also featured on Judy's 1977 compilation LP, "So Early In The Spring: The First Fifteen Years". The LP charted on 8/6/77, the single re-charted on 9/24/77, and the movie version of "A Little Night Music" opened in theaters on 9/30/77. It was a case of good luck and timing in cross- marketing. As far as I can tell, the movie was not a hit. It has a rating of 17 on Rotten Tomatoes. ;-)
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thecdguy ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 14 August 2019 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I was under the impression it was to see how it would compete against the Jose Feliciano version which was on the charts at the time. Kind of like how the original '67 version of Bobbie Gentry's "Ode To Billy Joe" re-charted in 1976 alongside the newly recorded version. |
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Paul Haney ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 April 2005 Status: Offline Points: 22 |
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As far as reissues go, in the "old days" as long as a single was getting reported by stores and radio stations as a "current" it was
eligible to chart and didn't necessarily need to be on a new label and/or catalog number (though many often were). Labels had a much tighter control on those things back then and it was a rarity when it actually happened. Nowadays, any song can come back on the charts at any time if it gets enough streaming points to chart in the Top 50 of any given week. All you need to do is look at the Hot 100 any given December to see that happen with all the old Christmas songs. |
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Hykker ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 30 October 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2 |
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You're probably right though it seems odd that Elektra would re-issue it given that it was only a year old, and the Doors already had a song on the charts. Doubt it got any airplay (other than as an oldie), but I suppose some bought it who'd missed it first time around. Not many record stores stocked oldies back then, so if you didn't get a song while it was on the charts you were outta luck. |
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AndrewChouffi ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 24 September 2005 Status: Offline Points: 3 |
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Speaking of "Send In The Clowns", can anyone point to the
first place & time the alternate lyric version (with a 'Send in the clowns replacing 'there ought to be clowns') was released either promotionally or commercially? Thanks! Andy |
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Scanner ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 14 August 2019 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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The mystery to me of re-entries is how they are treated by
Record Research. My first Hot 100 book (1993) listed "I Honestly Love You" twice. Although the 1974 and 1977 recordings were identical, the records were not - 1974's was the second single from Olivia's "If You Love Me Let Me Know" album and 1977's was the first and only single from her "Greatest Hits." (Both records also had different B-sides.) Later editions combined both chart runs and listed "Honestly" only once on its original chart entry in 1974. Fast forward nearly three decades to Tim McGraw's "Live Like You Were Dying." Record Research lists the song twice for its original chart run in 2004 and subsequent re-entry for three weeks in 2005. Unlike the Hot 100 in Olivia's heyday which charted records, the Hot 100 in the 21st Century has instead been charting songs. Even if the 2005 version of McGraw's song differed from the 2004 version, Billboard counts all versions of a song as one - how else did "Old Town Road" clock 19 weeks at #1? So, how does Record Research determine how many times to report a song which has been re-released or simply re- charts due to a resurgence (e.g. artist's passing; placement in a commercial, TV show, film, etc.)? |
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Hykker ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 30 October 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2 |
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Scanner makes a good point. I would consider if a song drops out of the Hot 100, then re-enters within a short amount of time then it should
be considered part of the same chart run. A re-entry a year or more later does not IMHO. Certainly not in the case of the ONJ song, where the 1977 re-entry 45 had a different catalog #. What was BB's policy on charted weeks in these circumstances? |
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