single edits vs. single mixes

Can anyone tell me whether these singles differ from the albums due to editing, or mixing, or early fading?

Lonesome Loser - Little River Band
Leave a Light On - Belinda Carlisle
Love Changes (Everything) - Climie Fischer
September Morn - Neil Diamond
We Could Be Together - Debbie Gibson
American Storm - Bob Seger
I Could Not Ask For More - Edwin McCain (I know the mix is different but how is it shorter -- edit or early fade?)



Edited by EdisonLite

"Lonesome Loser" and "September Morn" are edits (if memory serves, take the piano intro off of "September Morn" [leaving the chord right before Diamond's vocal] to replicate the 45).

I tried replicating LRB's "Lonesome Loser" edit, but I'm not sure if I quite nailed it (there are two edits to be made; I think I got one but I'm not sure of the other). The one LRB single I've had trouble with is "The Night Owls" (two edits and an early fade, but I can't seem to remember the second edit--and radio stations here usually play the LP version). Again, working without a turntable I'm at a disadvantage.

Any advice?

Doug

Edited by sriv94

Paul Esch wrote: The two edits for "Lonesome Loser are during the intro, after the opening vocals; the high voice part is edited out from about :23 to :33 so just the higher vocal of the two remains. Then the other edit is near the end, where they start repeating "Have you heard about the lonesome loser" only; the second one is edited out. From there, the song fades from 3:17 to the end at 3:29,so you'll need to fade early from the LP version.

Boy, you're good. As luck would have it, there's an unscoped aircheck on Reelradio with the 45 version of "Lonesome Loser." The edits are as you describe them, although the edit at the end goes from the first "have you heard" to the guitar break following the second "have you heard." (Just in case you want to try replicating at home. :) ) Well done.

As an aside, unfortunately, the DJ does a little monkeying around with the cart (and the end comes way too abruptly) so the unscoped aircheck is not clean for just extracting the 45 right off of it.

Now, anyone got ideas on how to replicate "The Night Owls" single?

Doug

Doug, in response to your post about the "Lonesome Loser" edit... I pulled out my TM Century disc for this one, too. I'm not sure if TM just did a sloppy job, or if the actual 45 version has bad edits. On theirs, they made the first edit on the high hat hit right before the vocal, rather than right on the "ooooh."

But the worst one is the second one. After the first "have you heard..." they made the edit on the snare hit, which then cuts to the second guitar break. You can hear the tail end of the reverb from the second "have you heard..." where the edit is, but it sounds choppy on my disc, like they made the edit a split second too soon instead of right on the snare hit. Does your copy sound like that also?

Edited by aaronk

aaronk wrote: Again, I don't have the actual 45 to check, but I'm pretty sure this one is correct on my TM disc.

Mega mega thanks. I think I got it.

Doug