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    Posted: 27 February 2009 at 8:54pm
My commercial 45, confirmed as Deram 85005, has a listed time of (2:22), but an actual time of (2:26). The only two current database CDs that include this song (from Eric and Collector's Choice) run only (2:18), and Pat already indicates "LP version" for both of these. Since this "group" was simply a concoction of studio musicians by Brits Roger Greenaway & Roger Cook, perhaps maybe an import CD might contain the full 45 length for this song. I will keep my eyes peeled.
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It would be great to have the superior 45 version on CD, but I've often wondered if it was strictly a mono production. Why else would they have gone to the trouble of re-recording the song in stereo for the Deram I Was Kaiser Bill's Batman LP?
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Yah Shure, I omitted the fact that both of the shorter, CD versions do appear in stereo, while the longer, 1967 45 length is in mono. My only issue is that my 45 runs :08 longer than either of the stereo CDs do.
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Jim, thanks for adding the explanation, but I am aware of the CD versions being in stereo, as I have the Collectors Choice disc. But it isn't a length issue; the U.S. 45 is a completely different take than the U.S. LP version. Aside from the different whistling and backing tracks involved, the one and only spoken word is also different, when it appears at the pause. It's "hey!" on the 45, and "oy!" on the LP/CDs.

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I appreciate your specific explanation, Yah Shure. I did not know that "LP version" in the database meant that the 45 was a completely different take, in this case. I had never noticed those differences between the 45 and CD versions before, so thanks for pointing them out to me!
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No problem, Jim! I first noticed the difference when I played the song from the 1968 Parrot compilation LP The Greatest Hits From England, Vol. 2 at my college station.

One thing is for certain: we can all be thankful that this LP title track cover version never made it beyond the unnumbered promo stage for 45 purposes (although it's not anywhere near as bad as one might expect from this artist.) :)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jimct Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 April 2010 at 11:58am
Pat, in continuing my 1967 research today, I stumbled upon the fact that the db was never updated with the "listed (2:22); actual (2:26)" timing info I first posted in early 2009.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hykker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 April 2010 at 12:29pm
I'd forgotten about Pat Boone's cover of this (will he ever learn?)! There was a 3rd version of this released around the same time by the Carnaby Street Set on Columbia. Clearly someone thought whistled tunes were going to be the next big thing!
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Steve, my local Top 40 station actually added the Carnaby Street Set version (Columbia 44092) first, on 4/8/67. Then they listed both versions together for the next two weeks, before exclusively switching over to the eventual hit version. It was so very common for UK hits to be quickly covered by U.S. acts, to try to have the big hit over here (and vice versa). Sometimes it worked, and sometimes it didn't. Thanks for reminding me about that one!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hykker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 April 2010 at 4:31pm
Another interesting thing about this song is that it's the only Deram single I've ever seen with the multi-tone orange swirl label on promo copies like other London subsidiary labels. Mine's a stock copy, but in high school a friend of mine won a copy from the local station and it's on the orange label. By the summer of '67 their promos were the stock label with "promotional copy" printed on it. I wonder why Deram was different from other London labels.
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