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    Posted: 02 December 2005 at 11:00am
A million years ago, when the Sony multi-disc Soundtrack for a Century came out, I remember E-mailing Pat about the versions used to create some of the discs. On one of them is a version of Kansas' "Carry On Wayward Son." It's an edit, but according to Pat's E-mail to me Sony made at least one editing error in their attempt to create the 45 (it's listed as "neither the 45 or LP version" in the database).

Anybody know the error and whether the 45 can be extracted from the LP? From my recollection of the single being played on pop radio in 1977, I think the error(s) occur(s) toward the end, but I'm not positive.

Thanks as always.

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I might be able to help you out with that one, Doug. I'm doing some editing for edtop40, and he has sent me both the LP version and a dub of the actual 45. I'll work on it and report back my findings shortly.
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OK, to answer your question: No, the LP version cannot be used to create the 45 version. I was successful in matching all of the edits, but the 45 is not just edited but also remixed. The vocals on the LP have quite a bit of reverb, whereas the vocals on the 45 have far less reverb and a slight delay added to them. Also, there's some differences in the way the instruments are mixed, too.

I would be curious to know if the cd's with "neither" have the LP mix or the 45 mix.
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Not sure about the mix (I'm not home right now), but thanks for the valient effort.

You were able to match the edits, though. If I sent you a copy of the edit, you could a) tell me how close the edits on the actual CD were to being right, and b) judge the mix.

Unless someone beats me to it, I'll get it to you sometime tonight.
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Originally posted by aaronk aaronk wrote:

OK, to answer your question: No, the LP version cannot be used to create the 45 version. I was successful in matching all of the edits, but the 45 is not just edited but also remixed. The vocals on the LP have quite a bit of reverb, whereas the vocals on the 45 have far less reverb and a slight delay added to them. Also, there's some differences in the way the instruments are mixed, too.

I would be curious to know if the cd's with "neither" have the LP mix or the 45 mix.


Which CD did you use as the LP version starting point? Because there was a remix of Carry On done in the 80s that showed up on the first CD issue of Best of Kansas. This remix added alot of reverb to the vocals.

The remaster of Best of Kansas utilized the original mix. I haven't listened to the 45 in ages, but I thought I remembered the 45 mix sounding the same as the original LP mix. Could be wrong though.
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Damn, a THIRD instance of Sony editing the the wrong mix to match the 45, and getting it wrong! Who the hell is running A&R at that stupid company, Bozo the Clown?!
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Roscoe, this gives me hope that I might have been using a "remixed" version, because my source for editing was Best Of Kansas. Edtop40 supplied the source, so maybe he can say whether it was the original or remastered version. If I had to guess, I'd say it was an original pressing. That being the case, we might be able to re-create the 45 version by editing a non-remixed version.

Does anyone have two different mixes of this song on CD? Perhaps Pat made an error in the database for the listing of "Carry On" on Best Of Kansas. I don't have another source to compare, but based on Roscoe's description, the version I have does have a ton of reverb.

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UPDATE: I just pulled out my cassette copy of Best Of Kansas, and it does say "remixed for this album" in the liner notes next to "Carry On."

Pat, you should probably update your database with this new information.
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Originally posted by aaronk aaronk wrote:

Does anyone have two different mixes of this song on CD? Perhaps Pat made an error in the database for the listing of "Carry On" on Best Of Kansas. I don't have another source to compare, but based on Roscoe's description, the version I have does have a ton of reverb.


I have three CDs that the LP version appears on--the Best Of CD (prolly the original pressing; I got it a long while ago), the Time-Life AM Heavy Hits compilation and the Realm Flashback CD. The question is do either of the other two CDs I have it on contain the original mix.
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Doug just sent me a copy of the version on Train Kept A Rollin', and this is the correct MIX. Actually, they only goofed in two places. They missed an edit from (1:30) to (1:36). That section of music should be edited out. Also, the 45 version fades four seconds sooner than the version on that disc.

Doug, if you check your copies on AM Heavy Hits and Flashback, and then compare that to the remixed version on Best Of, you'll notice the difference as soon as the first verse starts. There's tons more reverb on the vocals on Best Of.
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