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edtop40 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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so, do any of the 'big big man' versions match the vinyl 45
version, or are they all the same??.....also...the vinyl 45 actually runs 2:58....it does not have a listed running time... |
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KentT ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 25 May 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Big, Big man is second pressing onward. "Hell Of A Man" was
first pressings only. |
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Robert ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 04 March 2006 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Most of the versions out there today have a slow, more distinct delivery of "Big Big Man" ending. My Columbia promo is not as slow and deliberate/expressive. I don't have a commercial copy so I can't say if they're the same, but the promo is definitely different and is the one I remember hearing in '61.
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davidclark ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 2 |
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On Youtube, there are three videos claiming to be the vinyl 45. All are the
same “big big man” version, i.e., the 2nd 45, but they are NOT the same as my stereo version, which is the slower, drawn-out version (from his “Greatest Hits” CD). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLe8Cbfs_CQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As-svGA7dBw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSeqqI4xQMc So, seems the 2nd 45 (1st “Big Big Man” version) might be missing on CD? Pat, are any of the CDs with stereo “Big Big Man” versions listed actually this 2nd 45 or are they all the different vocal take? The question begs then, when did this drawn-out "big big man" version first appear? In the CD era or prior? Perhaps on the 1966 vinyl LP “Greatest Hits”? Any one have that? |
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Pat Downey ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 01 October 2003 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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To my knowledge, none of the stereo versions of Big Bad John contain the correct 45 version of this song with the "big big man" line. I guess I should indicate "with alternate big big man" line in the database. Where the alternate big big man line originated I do not know.
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KentT ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 25 May 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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The "Big, Big, Man" line was re-recorded shortly after the
original 45 was released, some stations were very antsy about "One Hell Of A Man" being aired. So, Columbia got Jimmy Dean to re-record the last line shortly after the original 45 release, in the Owen Bradley Quonset Hut, in Nashville, TN and like the original, Glenn Snoddy at the controls. The song became a hit, and later matrices contained "Big, Big, Man" on the 45 RPM mono single. Edited by KentT |
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davidclark ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 2 |
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KentT,
You're right, Columbia got him to re-record that "hell-uv-a-man" bit. My query, still unresolved, is when did the SECOND recording of the "big big man" lyric first appear? Edited by davidclark |
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KentT ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 25 May 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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That's a good question. Columbia apparently wasn't happy
with the first "Big, Big Man" recording, and apparently Don Law and Frank Jones had it re-recorded again. Wish I knew someone at Sony Nashville (the old guard I knew are all retired or died off) |
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PopArchivist ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 30 June 2018 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2 |
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So let me understand this for this song: 1) There exists a Mono 45 1st pressing that has the "Hell of A Man Lyric" 2) There exists a Mono 45 2nd pressing that has the "Big Big Man Lyric" 3) The only correct Stereo version is from Eric Records that matches the 2nd pressing 45 exactly. Has the 2nd pressing Mono 45 ever made CD? If not, can the Eric Records one be folded down since it is the correct 45 version? Pat's database shows that every other version in stereo is incorrect and has an alternate line. Edited by PopArchivist |
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