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    Posted: 22 October 2013 at 5:11pm
so, do any of the 'big big man' versions match the vinyl 45
version, or are they all the same??.....also...the vinyl 45
actually runs 2:58....it does not have a listed running
time...
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Big, Big man is second pressing onward. "Hell Of A Man" was
first pressings only.
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Most of the versions out there today have a slow, more distinct delivery of "Big Big Man" ending. My Columbia promo is not as slow and deliberate/expressive. I don't have a commercial copy so I can't say if they're the same, but the promo is definitely different and is the one I remember hearing in '61.
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On Youtube, there are three videos claiming to be the vinyl 45. All are the
same “big big man” version, i.e., the 2nd 45, but they are NOT the same as
my stereo version, which is the slower, drawn-out version (from his
“Greatest Hits” CD).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLe8Cbfs_CQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As-svGA7dBw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSeqqI4xQMc

So, seems the 2nd 45 (1st “Big Big Man” version) might be missing on CD?
Pat, are any of the CDs with stereo “Big Big Man” versions listed actually
this 2nd 45 or are they all the different vocal take? The question begs then,
when did this drawn-out "big big man" version first appear? In the CD era
or prior? Perhaps on the 1966 vinyl LP “Greatest Hits”? Any one have that?
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To my knowledge, none of the stereo versions of Big Bad John contain the correct 45 version of this song with the "big big man" line. I guess I should indicate "with alternate big big man" line in the database. Where the alternate big big man line originated I do not know.
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The "Big, Big, Man" line was re-recorded shortly after the
original 45 was released, some stations were very antsy
about "One Hell Of A Man" being aired. So, Columbia got
Jimmy Dean to re-record the last line shortly after the
original 45 release, in the Owen Bradley Quonset Hut, in
Nashville, TN and like the original, Glenn Snoddy at the
controls. The song became a hit, and later matrices
contained "Big, Big, Man" on the 45 RPM mono single.

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KentT,

You're right, Columbia got him to re-record that "hell-uv-a-man" bit. My
query, still unresolved, is when did the SECOND recording of the "big big man"
lyric first appear?

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That's a good question. Columbia apparently wasn't happy
with the first "Big, Big Man" recording, and apparently
Don Law and Frank Jones had it re-recorded again. Wish I
knew someone at Sony Nashville (the old guard I knew are
all retired or died off)
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Originally posted by Robert Robert wrote:

Most of the versions out there today have a slow, more distinct delivery of "Big Big Man" ending. My Columbia promo is not as slow and deliberate/expressive. I don't have a commercial copy so I can't say if they're the same, but the promo is definitely different and is the one I remember hearing in '61.
Finally there is a CD release that has the correct vocal line found at the end of the 45 that topped the charts in 1961 and it's in stereo. You can order this Hit Parade label release now and get it shipped to you direct. Here is the link: http://ericrecords.com/htf_jb_60-65.html
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Originally posted by Santi Paradoa Santi Paradoa wrote:

Originally posted by Robert Robert wrote:

Most of the versions out there today have a slow, more distinct delivery of "Big Big Man" ending. My Columbia promo is not as slow and deliberate/expressive. I don't have a commercial copy so I can't say if they're the same, but the promo is definitely different and is the one I remember hearing in '61.
Finally there is a CD release that has the correct vocal line found at the end of the 45 that topped the charts in 1961 and it's in stereo. You can order this Hit Parade label release now and get it shipped to you direct. Here is the link: http://ericrecords.com/htf_jb_60-65.html


So let me understand this for this song:

1) There exists a Mono 45 1st pressing that has the "Hell of A Man Lyric"
2) There exists a Mono 45 2nd pressing that has the "Big Big Man Lyric"
3) The only correct Stereo version is from Eric Records that matches the 2nd pressing 45 exactly.

Has the 2nd pressing Mono 45 ever made CD? If not, can the Eric Records one be folded down since it is the correct 45 version?

Pat's database shows that every other version in stereo is incorrect and has an alternate line.

Edited by PopArchivist
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