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eriejwg ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 66 |
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Has anyone determined if this collection finally contains
the true 45 version of Five O'Clock World? |
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TomDiehl1 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 13 January 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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If it doesn't, it's really close.
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Live in stereo.
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bitman ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 10 August 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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Some tracks are in stereo, so some tracks definitely not original, at least as they were released on 45
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VWestlife ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 02 April 2020 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2 |
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I have a wide stereo version of "Five O'Clock World" that doesn't seem to match anything listed in the database. It has the vocals in the left channel and the instruments in the right channel, with nothing in the middle. It is clearly a legitimate two-track recording, not DES or mono-with-overdubs, and aside from the stereo separation and lack of reverb, it matches the original, so it's not a re-recording.
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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 55 |
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The CD Totally Oldies Vol. 2 (2001) on Varese Sarabande has the version you described.
It originated on CD on Varese Sarabande's Discoveries Presents Stereo Oldies (1999), according to the notes on that disc. |
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eriejwg ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 66 |
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Ron, have you had a chance to listen to Five O'Clock World
on the new singles collection. I agree with Tom Diehl that it sure sounds close to the true 45 mix. Maybe they finally got it right. |
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davidclark ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 27 |
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I'm not the best at comparing reverb, but I do believe the reverb is correct. I
compared it to a 45 dub MM did back in December 2018 that sounds perfect. |
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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 55 |
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I'm not sure how to label the various versions out there, so I'll improvise.
Fake stereo version (2:06) I'm not sure where this appeared originally, but its first appearance on CD is on Rhino's Vogues Greatest Hits (1988). It sounds nice here (to the extent that any fake stereo can sound nice), with great dynamic range, nice EQ, low-generation source tapes, and no evidence of noise reduction on the fade. The same analog transfer is used on:
Edit: David C tipped me off that this version was from the 1969 GH album, and was likely put together to make the song sound like the Vogues of 1968. I recall a CD version of "Tequila" that also had added stereo instrumentation; that must have been a thing at one point. I found a YouTube video of this version with surface crackle and a needle-donk at the beginning. I believe that this version might have been on a 1971 stereo reissue of the Five O'Clock World vinyl LP on Pickwick/33 Records, but can't confirm with 100% certainty. I have this version on Warner Special Products' More Party Classics (1987). A different analog transfer appears on Time-Life's 2-CD AM Gold Last Train To Clarksville (2021), with its left/right channels swapped. Both of these have their fades truncated at the same point. Super-wide stereo version (2:08) I don't know where this track originated, but it showed up on CD first on Varese Sarabande's Discoveries Presents Stereo Oldies (1999). I have it on Varese Sarabande's Then 2 Totally Oldies (2001). It sounds fine, but it's the instruments in one ear and vocals in the other extreme-wide stereo. I suspect that it was recorded this way on the multi-tracks (much like the early Beatles), to allow the producer to balance the vocals with the backing track. It likely wasn't intended to be heard this way as stereo. Mono version, very little reverb (2:07) It's on Silver Eagle's 2-CD Rockin' Down The Block (1987). The EQ is a little bass-shy, and the whole track sounds a little distant. Mono version, whole lotta reverb (2:06) It's on the Omnivore Vogues collection At Co & Ce - The Complete Singles & More (2023). Based on a YouTube video of the 45 playing, I'd say that it's probably the 45 mix (same amount of reverb). I welcome second opinions, though, because I'm not great at this type of comparison. Edited by crapfromthepast |
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Paul C ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 23 October 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 10 |
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The song has reverb on the Ace UK disc The London
American Label 1966, but I don't have a 45 to compare it with. https://www.acerecords.co.uk/the-london-american-label- year-by-year-1966 |
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TallPaulInKy ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 21 September 2007 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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The good news, it's great to have this new issue of The
Vogues material from their period at Co&Ce. Now the bad news, instead of starting as a new project, the producers started with the commonly available Varèse Sarabande – VSD-5680, "You're The One - The Very Best Of (The Co & Ce Sessions)" and added the missing singles tracks as needed. The Singles section is basically the As and Bs issued on Co&Ce but the producers took three stereo remixes from the aforementioned Varèse Sarabande disk to replace the mono singles mixes in "the Singles" section. The "And More" bonus tracks all come from the aforementioned Varèse Sarabande disk. By my count 15 of the 23 tracks on this new release, are duplicates from there. The sound quality is great so if you do not already have the Varèse Sarabande, it's a great add to your music library. I just wish they had added more previously unreleased songs rather than repeating so many previously out there. Edited by TallPaulInKy |
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