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Todd Ireland ![]() Shooting Star ![]() Joined: October 16 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4379 |
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I recently discovered that despite all the detailed information we've collected regarding Aersomith's "Janie's Got a Gun", we don't have any commercial single run time info...
Until now. I inquired about this with Ed and he reports his cassette single has a run time of 5:31. (Thanks, Ed!) The database does correctly note that the cassette single incorrectly states "LP Version" on the label. |
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NightAire ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: February 20 2010 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1006 |
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Having read through this thread regarding the pending transfer of ownership possibly impacting the decision to put out a 7" 45 RPM single in the United States, I find myself trying to make sense of what I find in Discogs.
(Now, there's one entry claiming a 7" single was issued in the US and Canada but there's no pictures so I'm not trusting that one.) According to Discogs, the following releases were made in 1989: GEFFEN 12": Germany, the UK, & the rest of Europe. GEFFEN 7": Australia, France, Spain, Germany, the UK (and a picture disc), & the rest of Europe. ...and most surprisingly of all, a WARNER BROS. 7" 45 RPM PROMO was allegedly released in Mexico (assuming it wasn't a bootleg). If the labels were printing all this vinyl in other countries for this single, why didn't they bring it to the United States? |
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Todd Ireland ![]() Shooting Star ![]() Joined: October 16 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4379 |
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I have since obtained a copy of the aforementioned promo CD single for Aerosmith's "Janie's Got a Gun" and can add a few more notes for database consideration: Geffen PRO-CD-3794 1) CHR Edit/Remix - actual run time is 4:22, not 4:18 as stated on the CD label 2) CHR Full Intro Remix - actual: 4:31 (printed: 4:30) 3) LP Version - actual run time is 5:24, not 5:29* as stated on the CD label *Please note that even though I originally reported that the "LP Version" on this promo CD single had a printed time of 5:19, the printed time actually states 5:29 on the CD label. Evidently, there was a typo in my original source when I copied and pasted the info onto a previous message board post years ago. Even still, there is a significant discrepancy with the track's actual run time, which is 5:24. Also, it would probably be useful to mention in the song's database title notes that the “LP version” on this promo CD single is actually the 45/single version but runs faster and fades out several seconds sooner. |
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sheardbeard ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: March 05 2025 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8 |
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In looking through this thread, I can’t see that it was
ever identified how this song begins on the cassette single, outside of it has “additional banter that isn't on the full cd/lp version”. I know the intro to this track on the Pump album is the 10 second glass harp instrumental piece, separately titled ‘Water Song’ (also at the "Police Line Do Not Cross" beginning of the music video), before it goes directly into “*chit* Dum, dum, dum, honey, what have you done?”, whereas most versions listed as “single version” begin immediately with the “*chit* Dum, dum, dum…” Does the cassette single have neither of these intros? Side note: how can I expand my postings in this forum to "landscape" as opposed to being "boxed"? Edited by sheardbeard |
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aaronk ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: January 16 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6706 |
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I just put the Pump CD version and the promo CD "LP Version" in the multi-tracker, and they are digitally identical but with a +0.7dB boost to the promo CD. The full-length CD also segues into the next track, although the volume of "Janie" is so low at this point, you'd only notice if you had the volume "pumped" (pun intended). So, yes, the promo CD does continue for about :03 longer, but even boosting the volume +25dB, you can barely hear anything (negligable, IMO). I also noticed that the promo CD single uses the actual Pump LP version but just edits off the intro. You can hear the glass harp sound effect overlapping the first note. I believe what has been reported in this thread is that the cassette single opens in the same way as the "Remix" with no overlapping sound effect and a split second of additional audio that is not heard on the full-length CD. If you listen to the "Remix," you can hear Steven Tyler make a slight noise just before the "chhh" sound. I know it's splitting hairs, but techincally, the promo CD doesn't have the cassette single version, and yes, technically that means the cassette single is a unique version still MIA on CD. |
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aaronk ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: January 16 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6706 |
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Does anyone have a dub of the cassette single they can send? Ed? Chuck?
Looking at the database, several entries say "45 version," but I now question whether that is accurate based on what Ed reported. I think those CDs have the Pump LP version with the intro edited off. |
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aaronk ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: January 16 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6706 |
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I can say for sure these CDs all have the overlapping sound effect on the first note (and probably don't match the cassette single exactly):
Big Ones O Yeah! Ultimate Hits Devil's Got A New Disguise |
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sheardbeard ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: March 05 2025 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8 |
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While thumbing through the multiple different sources of "Janie's Got A Gun" (via Apple Music) I think I finally heard the millisecond throaty swallow sound at the beginning on "The Very Best of Aerosmith" (2006)... "Mm-chhh" as
opposed to just "chhh". My assumption is the "mm-chhh" is at the beginning of the cassette single. Wow, we certainly get down to the granular details here, don't we? haha |
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aaronk ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: January 16 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6706 |
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Yes, we certainly do! And yes, in a post on the first page, I'm assuming that's what Ed is referring to as the "unique" audio on the official single version, along with the absense of the overlapping glass harp sound effect. What you're hearing the digital Very Best Of Aerosmith album is the "CHR Full Intro Remix" from the promo CD.
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aaronk ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: January 16 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6706 |
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As a follow up, it appears European CD copies of Devil's Got A New Disguise: The Very Best Of Aerosmith include the "CHR Remix" (aka "CHR Full Intro Remix"), while US CDs have the LP version without "Water Song" on the intro. It's the European version that has been made avaialble on digital streaming services here in the US.
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sheardbeard ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: March 05 2025 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8 |
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Getting crazy specific here, but I noticed even the “chhh” is a different
“chhh” in the “mm-chhh” vs “chhh” intros. 🤪 Edited by sheardbeard |
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Todd Ireland ![]() Shooting Star ![]() Joined: October 16 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4379 |
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I was under the impression that the 45/single version was essentially the equivalent of the LP version minus the intro. And because the "LP Version" on the promo CD single release doesn't contain the Pump LP intro, I decided to compare it to the 45/single version to see if they are identical. But since I don't have a copy of the cassette single, which was the only commercial single format issued for "Janie's Got a Gun" in the U.S., I used the Aerosmith Big Ones CD (Geffen 24716) as the basis for my "45 version" comparison with the so-called "LP Version" on the promo CD single. In retrospect, I probably shouldn't have used the Big Ones CD as a "45 version" reference point in the first place because there's no guarantee that it's mastered identically in every way to what's actually on the on cassette single, including the length and speed. That said, there is a slight, yet noticeable speed difference between those two sources, so now I'm wondering if there's also a similar speed difference between the actual single version and LP version? Edited by Todd Ireland |
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Todd Ireland ![]() Shooting Star ![]() Joined: October 16 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4379 |
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LOL! No worries, sheardbeard, you're in good company here when it comes to being hyper-focused on minutia! By the way, I never knew it was possible to type emoticons on this message board... Can you generate them here or just simply copy and paste them from elsewhere? |
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aaronk ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: January 16 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6706 |
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I'm basing my assumption on this comment, but I still need to hear the cassette single to know if the "additional banter" Ed is talking about is what can be heard on the "Remix." |
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sheardbeard ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: March 05 2025 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8 |
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typed my earlier message (and this one) from my phone and apparently the emoticon “took” 😁👍🏻🎶 🎼🎵🎧🎸🥁 Edited by sheardbeard |
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