fleetwood mac "go your own way"

my commercial 45 issued as warner 8304 states a run time on the label as 3:34 but actually runs 3:38 like all the db entries   

TomDiehl1 wrote: According to Bill Inglot, the mix of this song on the 45 is unique to the 45. I don't know how it differs from the lp mix or where it can be found in the digital world.

I respect Bill's work, but I think he's mistaken about this
one. Is it possible he's thinking about some other FM
single (some of which WERE different mixes)?

Rumours seems to have a number of mixes that were, at one time or another, considered to be the final mix. Some of these "alternate"
final mixes didn't see the light of day until the release of the 25 YEARS: THE CHAIN box set. There are also some alternate edits to
several tracks on the album that will vary depending on which pressing of the album you got (examples being the repeated guitar solo
at the end of "Second Hand News", an added instrumental measure in "Never Going Back Again", the fade in and fade out of "Gold Dust
Woman").

The original (first) CD pressing of Rumours contains, for better or worse, a FLAT transfer of the master (or a copy of the master). At
some point soon following this initial pressing, (pre-2000s remaster) the CD was re-done with a much brighter EQ and digital reverb
added. The Rumours tracks on the late '80s Fleetwood Mac Greatest Hits release seem to be taken from this CD master.

The 2004 remaster of Rumours is, for my money, the best bang for the buck. Maybe it is a little loud at times but it has the BEST EQ
of any CD version and it has the tracks in unedited form (unlike the original CD) and does not have any added digital reverb.
Comparing the very first CD and the 2004 is a night and day difference. Finally a CD of Rumours that doesn't sound like crap.

I don't think there is any variation on "Go Your Own Way" re: the LP vs. the 45. Bill might have been thinking of songs off of the
white Fleetwood Mac album that preceded Rumours which does have unique 45 mixes.

LunarLaugh wrote: The original (first) CD pressing of Rumours contains, for better or worse, a FLAT transfer of the master (or a copy of the master). At some point soon following this initial pressing, (pre-2000s remaster) the CD was re-done with a much brighter EQ and digital reverb added. The Rumours tracks on the late '80s Fleetwood Mac Greatest Hits release seem to be taken from this CD master. The 2004 remaster of Rumours is, for my money, the best bang for the buck. Maybe it is a little loud at times but it has the BEST EQ of any CD version and it has the tracks in unedited form (unlike the original CD) and does not have any added digital reverb. Comparing the very first CD and the 2004 is a night and day difference. Finally a CD of Rumours that doesn't sound like crap.

This is new information for me. I was unaware that there are reverb differences on some of these songs. If that's the case, the database will need to be updated.

Paul Haney wrote: TomDiehl1 wrote: According to Bill Inglot, the mix of this song on the 45 is unique to the 45. I don't know how it differs from the lp mix or where it can be found in the digital world. I respect Bill's work, but I think he's mistaken about this one. Is it possible he's thinking about some other FM single (some of which WERE different mixes)?

According to Steve Hoffman, Inglot is correct:
https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/fleetwood-mac-rumours -45-33-1-3-rpm-hoffman-gray-vinyl-mastering-equalization-not es.247970/page-2#post-6445352

"There are two mixes of GO YOUR OWN WAY, existing on three reels. The original 30 ips mix with SILVER SPRINGS done for the 45 RPM release and the two first generation
simul mixes at 15 ips Dolby A for the album sets. All three tapes sound alike for the most part, the 30 perhaps a little leaner with less body and the 15 with more
midrange magic and bass."

He explains the "two first generation simul mixes" for the album further here:
https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/fleetwood-mac-rumours -new-wb-vinyl-gold-dust-woman-mix-variation-question.116245/ page-2#post-2628017

"They mixed to TWO tape machines going at once, both sets of masters (both first generation) have different things done to them in the way of edits, little alt. mix pieces, etc.
When one set started to wear out they started swapping songs from the fresh reels. It's so jumbled up now that it's quite a challenge."

I think the pre-2004 US Rumours discs that contain the added reverb will have RE somewhere in the disc hub.

I'm not sure if any discs that contain the non-reverb flat master were ever manufactured in the US. Mine is a target disc made in
Germany and there is also another one made in Japan.

Edited by LunarLaugh

I pulled my original 1977 Terre Haute pressing of Rumours and my 1977 stock 45s of "Go Your Own Way." I have two different 45 pressings (made at different plants) and both have RE-1 in the matrix. Looking on Discogs, there is a Terre Haute pressing of the 45 without RE-1, but even promo 45s have RE-1 in the deadwax, so I'm not too concerned about what that might mean.

In any case, there is no mix difference between the LP and 45 for "Go Your Own Way." They are identical, even down to the fade out. If they had been mixed separately, I would've expected something to stand out or at the very least for the fadeouts to be even just slightly different.

Next, I compared the original 1977 vinyl dubs to an "RE-2" CD rip that Ron sent to me a while back. I can absolutely hear added reverb on the intro of the CD. It's very light and subtle, but it's not there on the vinyl. Once the vocal starts, if there is any added reverb it's so buried it becomes inaudible. I spot checked the rest of the song between the vinyl and CD, and I heard no mix differences at all. It appears all that has been done is very, very light reverb added to the CD version, which is really only detectable on the intro of "Go Your Own Way."

When time permits, I will try to check additional songs from this particular CD vs. the 1977 LP.