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Paul Haney ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 April 2005 Status: Offline Points: 22 |
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Some of those re-entries are accounted for in the latest Pop Annual. I got ambitious and compared the current version (1950-2023) with the counts
in Ron's Library and found the following discrepancies: 1970 - Ron (636) / Annual (634) - Ron has "Superstar" by Murray Head (#437) and "Maggie" by Redbone (#472) 1971 - Ron (620) / Annual (619) - Ron has "Layla" by Derek & The Dominos (#303) 1972 - Ron (584) / Annual (583) - Ron has "That's The Way God Planned It" by Billy Preston (#377) 1973 - Ron (531) / Annual (530) - Ron has "Lucky Man" by Emerson, Lake & Palmer (#292) 1974 - Ron (493) / Annual (492) - Ron has "Love That Really Counts" by Natural Four listed twice at #491 & #492 1975 - Ron (559) / Annual (558) - Ron has "Send In The Clowns" by Judy Collins (#235) 1976 - Ron (527) / Annual (527) 1977 - Ron (469) / Annual (469) 1978 - Ron (451) / Annual (450) - Ron has "Crazy On You" by Heart (#332) 1979 - Ron (475) / Annual (475) By my count, that's only 8 differences, not 14 (and one of those is a duplicate by Ron). So I'm not sure where you came up with 14??? |
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music4life75 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 17 August 2020 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Ok I know what happened.
I had a total of 5351. Ron had a total of 5345. Dave Kinzer counted 5344. https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2020/jan/18/5344-songs-l ater- dave- kinzer-completes-70s-mu/ He’s the one that helped me years ago for the amount of songs that charted in the 80’s. To say the least, I was pretty much confused regarding the recharted songs. When I counted 14 songs that recharted with the same version, and since I was off by 14, I thought I found my mistake. I thought Billy Preston’s “That’s The Way God Planned it”, would count as a 70’s song, but seeing as the re-release charted lower, it makes sense. I’m glad you were able to clear this up for me! 😀👍 Edited by music4life75 |
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Paul Haney ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 April 2005 Status: Offline Points: 22 |
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If anything, this proves that counting the hits is an inexact science at best. I wish Joel would've just picked
a formula for re-entries and stayed with it, but it seemed like he changed his mind with each subsequent edition. I didn't want to make any changes for the most recent Pop Annual, because I wanted the info to match the 2-volume set of Top Pop Singles books that we recently did. |
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JMD1961 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 29 March 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2 |
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Before I ask my question, let me first say that how much
the new volume has helped me catalogue my CD track collection. My main reasons for buying was the inclusion of the check off boxes. Thanks for bringing them back. Now, the question. I'm going through my CDs from the various Bill Buster labels and I've noticed something. On a CD titled "Rare Pop Instrumentals Of The Fifties", two tracks are listed as being released in 1953. The first is "The Typewriter" by Leroy Anderson, which the CD says peaked at #21. The second is "Melancholy Serenade" by Jackie Gleason, which peaked at #22. The only problem with this is that the Annual only goes to #20 for 1953. Another track not listed in the Annual is "Look Sharp - Be Sharp" by the Boston Pops Orchestra, which went to #27 in 1954, but that one is clearly listed as being a Cash Box peak. Neither of the other tracks is listed that way. So, where did the 1953 chart positions come from? Was there a sub-chart, like a bubbling under, that went below the 20 position chart? Just curious. |
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Paul Haney ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 April 2005 Status: Offline Points: 22 |
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Those peak positions came from the original Pop Memories 1890-1954 book. That book used Cash Box and Billboard Regional charts, so the positions come from one (or both) of those. Joel never cared for that, which is why he did the Pop Hits 1940-54 book, which just reflects the actual Billboard charts (and where the 1950-54 Annual rankings came from for the latest edition). |
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JMD1961 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 29 March 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2 |
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Thanks, Paul. |
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LunarLaugh ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 13 February 2020 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3 |
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Doesn't Ron also have multiple versions of certain songs in his library (i.e. a non-hit original rendition by another artist or LP and 45 versions)? That could account for the difference in numbers. |
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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8 |
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When I assembled the Hot 100 folders, I used the rankings from Pop Annual 1955-2011. (Any errors were my own!)
I'm currently re-assembling them using the rankings from Pop Annual 1950-2023 and using a lot more potential sources for the tracks. At present, I've only redone 1997-1999. It will likely be a few years before I can revisit the 1970s folders. Any differences between the 2011 book (my original numberings) and the 2023 book arise from how low-charting re-entries are treated. In general, I think the 2011 tended to list the low-charting re-entries, while the 2023 tended to not list them. I'm sure that Paul used his discretion regarding whether to list a re-charting hit in a later year, or to leave it out. Edited by crapfromthepast |
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There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one Crap From The Past.
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music4life75 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 17 August 2020 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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When I decided to list every 1980's song that charted, I saw an error that Ron immediately corrected. The count him and I have is 4,172. This includes all re-charts. |
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