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Some of those re-entries are accounted for in the latest Pop Annual. I got ambitious and compared the current version (1950-2023) with the counts
in Ron's Library and found the following discrepancies:

1970 - Ron (636) / Annual (634) - Ron has "Superstar" by Murray Head (#437) and "Maggie" by Redbone (#472)
1971 - Ron (620) / Annual (619) - Ron has "Layla" by Derek & The Dominos (#303)
1972 - Ron (584) / Annual (583) - Ron has "That's The Way God Planned It" by Billy Preston (#377)
1973 - Ron (531) / Annual (530) - Ron has "Lucky Man" by Emerson, Lake & Palmer (#292)
1974 - Ron (493) / Annual (492) - Ron has "Love That Really Counts" by Natural Four listed twice at #491 & #492
1975 - Ron (559) / Annual (558) - Ron has "Send In The Clowns" by Judy Collins (#235)
1976 - Ron (527) / Annual (527)
1977 - Ron (469) / Annual (469)
1978 - Ron (451) / Annual (450) - Ron has "Crazy On You" by Heart (#332)
1979 - Ron (475) / Annual (475)

By my count, that's only 8 differences, not 14 (and one of those is a duplicate by Ron).

So I'm not sure where you came up with 14???
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote music4life75 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 August 2024 at 10:51am
Ok I know what happened.
I had a total of 5351.
Ron had a total of 5345.
Dave Kinzer counted 5344.

https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2020/jan/18/5344-songs-l ater-
dave-
kinzer-completes-70s-mu/

He’s the one that helped me years ago for the amount of songs that charted
in the 80’s.

To say the least, I was pretty much confused regarding the recharted songs.
When I counted 14 songs that recharted with the same version, and since I
was off by 14, I thought I found my mistake.

I thought Billy Preston’s “That’s The Way God Planned it”, would count as a
70’s song, but seeing as the re-release charted lower, it makes sense.

I’m glad you were able to clear this up for me! 😀👍

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If anything, this proves that counting the hits is an inexact science at best. I wish Joel would've just picked
a formula for re-entries and stayed with it, but it seemed like he changed his mind with each subsequent
edition. I didn't want to make any changes for the most recent Pop Annual, because I wanted the info to match
the 2-volume set of Top Pop Singles books that we recently did.
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Before I ask my question, let me first say that how much
the new volume has helped me catalogue my CD track
collection. My main reasons for buying was the inclusion
of the check off boxes. Thanks for bringing them back.

Now, the question. I'm going through my CDs from the
various Bill Buster labels and I've noticed something.
On a CD titled "Rare Pop Instrumentals Of The Fifties",
two tracks are listed as being released in 1953. The
first is "The Typewriter" by Leroy Anderson, which the CD
says peaked at #21. The second is "Melancholy Serenade"
by Jackie Gleason, which peaked at #22. The only problem
with this is that the Annual only goes to #20 for 1953.

Another track not listed in the Annual is "Look Sharp -
Be Sharp" by the Boston Pops Orchestra, which went to #27
in 1954, but that one is clearly listed as being a Cash
Box peak. Neither of the other tracks is listed that
way.

So, where did the 1953 chart positions come from? Was
there a sub-chart, like a bubbling under, that went below
the 20 position chart? Just curious.

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Originally posted by JMD1961 JMD1961 wrote:

Before I ask my question, let me first
say that how much
the new volume has helped me catalogue my CD track
collection. My main reasons for buying was the inclusion
of the check off boxes. Thanks for bringing them back.

Now, the question. I'm going through my CDs from the
various Bill Buster labels and I've noticed something.
On a CD titled "Rare Pop Instrumentals Of The Fifties",
two tracks are listed as being released in 1953. The
first is "The Typewriter" by Leroy Anderson, which the CD
says peaked at #21. The second is "Melancholy Serenade"
by Jackie Gleason, which peaked at #22. The only problem
with this is that the Annual only goes to #20 for 1953.

Another track not listed in the Annual is "Look Sharp -
Be Sharp" by the Boston Pops Orchestra, which went to #27
in 1954, but that one is clearly listed as being a Cash
Box peak. Neither of the other tracks is listed that
way.

So, where did the 1953 chart positions come from? Was
there a sub-chart, like a bubbling under, that went below
the 20 position chart? Just curious.



Those peak positions came from the original Pop Memories
1890-1954 book. That book used Cash Box and Billboard
Regional charts, so the positions come from one (or both)
of those. Joel never cared for that, which is why he did
the Pop Hits 1940-54 book, which just reflects the actual
Billboard charts (and where the 1950-54 Annual rankings
came from for the latest edition).
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Originally posted by Paul Haney Paul Haney wrote:


Those peak positions came from the original Pop Memories
1890-1954 book. That book used Cash Box and Billboard
Regional charts, so the positions come from one (or both)
of those. Joel never cared for that, which is why he did
the Pop Hits 1940-54 book, which just reflects the actual
Billboard charts (and where the 1950-54 Annual rankings
came from for the latest edition).


Thanks, Paul.
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Originally posted by music4life75 music4life75 wrote:

I’m a little confused as to the total number of songs that charted in the 1970’s. The numbers are different than what’s represented on Ron’s Hot 100
library. I’m just wondering if recharts are handled differently, as in any song that recharted with the same version, only count as one.


Doesn't Ron also have multiple versions of certain songs in his library (i.e. a non-hit original rendition by another artist or LP and 45 versions)? That could account for
the difference in numbers.
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When I assembled the Hot 100 folders, I used the rankings from Pop Annual 1955-2011. (Any errors were my own!)

I'm currently re-assembling them using the rankings from Pop Annual 1950-2023 and using a lot more potential sources for the tracks. At present, I've only redone 1997-1999. It will likely be a few years before I can revisit the 1970s folders.

Any differences between the 2011 book (my original numberings) and the 2023 book arise from how low-charting re-entries are treated. In general, I think the 2011 tended to list the low-charting re-entries, while the 2023 tended to not list them. I'm sure that Paul used his discretion regarding whether to list a re-charting hit in a later year, or to leave it out.

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Originally posted by LunarLaugh LunarLaugh wrote:

Originally posted by music4life75 music4life75 wrote:

I’m a little confused as to the total number of songs that charted in the 1970’s. The numbers are different than what’s represented on Ron’s Hot 100
library. I’m just wondering if recharts are handled differently, as in any song that recharted with the same version, only count as one.


Doesn't Ron also have multiple versions of certain songs in his library (i.e. a non-hit original rendition by another artist or LP and 45 versions)? That could account for
the difference in numbers.


When I decided to list every 1980's song that charted, I saw an error that Ron immediately corrected. The count him and I have is 4,172. This includes all re-charts.
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