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   Not to throw more fuel to the fire, but the long version is really the "original LP length", as subsequent (and most) LP pressings included the faded earlier version (mine did). And remember, the 45 is faded early, but is sped up. I don't know, is the shorter LP the same speed as the 45?

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davidclark Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 18	Post Options Post Reply Quote davidclark Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 April 2025 at 1:42pm
	Not to throw more fuel to the fire, but the long version is really the "original LP length", as subsequent (and most) LP pressings included the faded earlier version (mine did). And remember, the 45 is faded early, but is sped up. I don't know, is the shorter LP the same speed as the 45?
	dc1

crapfromthepast Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 20	Post Options Post Reply Quote crapfromthepast Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 8 hours 40 minutes ago at 7:10pm
	I found a YouTube video of someone playing the UK 45. The UK 45 runs 3:50. The UK 45 runs the same speed as the LP version, out to the same length as the LP version (without the coda). I also found a YouTube video of a nice dub of the US 45. Compared to the LP version, the US 45 is sped up by 3.0% and faded early. The fade starts in the little flute section (around 3:30 in the LP version, around 3:24 in the sped-up US 45 version) and ends just after Karen sings the last "you" (around 3:40 in the LP version, around 3:33 in the sped-up US 45 version). Interestingly, The Complete Singles starts and ends the fade at the correct clock times, but because it runs at the LP speed and isn't sped up by 3%, the fades occur earlier in the song than they should. I'm thinking that the designations should be: uncommon original LP version (includes coda that runs out to 4:33) more common LP version from later pressings and UK 45 version (same as original LP version but lacks coda and runs out to 3:50) various "LP version faded early" - numerous and all a little different from one another US 45 version (same mix as LP version but sped up by 3.0% and faded early, runs 3:33) non-hit 1991 remix (runs 3:41) Edited by crapfromthepast - 8 hours 17 minutes ago at 7:33pm
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aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 94	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 7 hours 39 minutes ago at 8:11pm
	Thanks for all your detective work, Ron! One minor clarification before we make the updates in the database, for consistency perhaps should we use "LP length & speed" rather than "LP version"? It's a bummer that they got it wrong on The Complete Singles.
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crapfromthepast Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 20	Post Options Post Reply Quote crapfromthepast Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 7 hours 20 minutes ago at 8:30pm
	How about "LP speed and length" to denote the 4:33 versions (plus or minus a few seconds)? The 3:40-ish versions with the original mix would be "LP speed, faded early" or "LP speed and mix, faded early". I have no strong opinions one way or the other, as long as it's clear that these are just the same as the LP version, but faded way early. "US 45 speed and length" would be great, but it doesn't exist on CD. Edited by crapfromthepast - 7 hours 20 minutes ago at 8:30pm
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crapfromthepast Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 20	Post Options Post Reply Quote crapfromthepast Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 7 hours 11 minutes ago at 8:39pm
	Aha! Just determined that the versions on Classics Vol. 2 (1987) and The Singles 1969-1973 (?) have the same fade points as the US 45, but just run at the LP speed. Maybe these are "US 45 fade but at LP speed"? You can get the true US 45 version, at the proper speed and with the proper fade, by speeding either of these two CDs up by 3.2%. (Now "US 45 fade at US 45 speed") Edited by crapfromthepast - 6 hours 60 minutes ago at 8:50pm
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