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Yah Shure ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 11 December 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I listened very carefully to the mono 45 during that stretch, and there are no horns whatsoever. Could it be that the K-Tel track is a fold-down?
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Indy500 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 29 January 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I hear what you're talking about now. The muted trumpet(?) that doubles the lead vocals remains on the mono version but the answering trombone(?) is not audible on the K-tel cd.
The answering trombone is missing from a similar passage from 2:12 to 2:22 as well. Edited by Indy500 |
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Todd Ireland ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23 |
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I appreciate your analysis on this, Bill! Since the horns you speak of are completely mixed out of the 45 from 1:18-1:23, it looks to me like a 45/LP version distinction needs to be made for CD appearances of "Knock Three Times" in the database. I'd be interested to know if any of the song's mono CD entries consist of the correct 45 mix, or if they're simply fold-downs of the stereo LP version. |
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Indy500 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 29 January 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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The mono K-Tel CD I have is a different mix than a fold-down of the stereo version I tried.
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Todd Ireland ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23 |
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Hmmm, that's odd, Indy500... I guess the mix on the K-Tel CD would fall under the "neither the 45 nor LP version" category.
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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 53 |
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Stereo LP version
I can trace most of the CD masterings to three distinct analog transfers. The first is on Rhino's Billboard Top R&R Hits 1971 (1989). The sound is good overall, but there's a disturbing lack of hiss and lack of presence in the early portion of the fade - noise reduction, perhaps? The same analog transfer is used on:
Mono 45 version Your odds of finding the mono 45 version on CD are slim. I have it on exactly one CD: Heartland/Warner Special Products' 2-CD Feel Good Rock (1989). Sound quality is so-so. It's mono, but the balance is a little off. The left and right channels may be a tiny bit out of synch - hard to tell. EQ is a little thin. I noticed that in Aaron's library, he used only the left channel of Feel Good Rock, copied it to the right channel, boosted the levels by about 4 dB and adjusted the EQ. It's an improvement. Edited by crapfromthepast |
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PopArchivist ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 June 2018 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 26 |
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This is one of the cases where the mono is completely forgotten about even though that is what was released in 1971 when it came out. The mono releases of the 1970 and 1971 Billboard hits are clearly overshadowed by their stereo counterparts, which is all anyone knows these days.
You are right about the hiss in the stereo versions as you noted above. I often found it very distracting on what was one of my favorite early 70's tracks. |
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KentT ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 25 May 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I have the UK Bell/EMI 45. It too is mono.
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I turn up the good and turn down the bad!
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AdvprosD ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 12 June 2020 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I think I might have heard the 45 version for the first time in quite a long while. I double checked the source against the database, and it actually was the 45 version in mono.
I was outside the board talking to Aaron about a collection of Sony CDs called Super Hits of the 70's and some odd stuff I heard. The discussion was actually about this being one of the earliest collections I can recall that was sold as a 5 disc 100-song collection. Later, I dug up another set that was only 60 songs on 4 discs. The database lists it as "Sony Music Commercial Music Group 778234 Hits Of The 70's (Box Set) (45 version)." Since it was the 45 version, I decided to rip it to the PC. I'm deviating away from Tony Orlando here to note that there may be a whole lot of 45 versions on this set, (The 60 song set.) The 100 song set seems to be mostly album versions. I'm kind-of glad I picked this set up because there is a lot of material here that I need to dig into a bit to see just how many 45 versions are on this. |
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