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Originally posted by EdisonLite EdisonLite wrote:

So then today I suggested releasing digital singles of single mixes that have never been released on CD anywhere. He thought that idea had lots of potential and will be forwarding it on to the powers that be. I'm giving him a list of suggestions but before I do, I thought I'd reach out to all you guys - if there are any Sony/BMG singles that have single mixes never released anywhere in the world on CD, and you'd like to see digital releases that come right off the master tapes, please indicate so here and I'll put together a list. If you have the following info, please include the catalog # and the tape # as listed on the 45. Also, please don't include singles that can just be edited from their album versions. I'm pitching him on the idea of single MIXES that have not come out. My list won't be limited to top 40 hits, but obviously a big artist with a non-top 40 hit would be more appealing than a lesser-known artist with a non-top 40 hit.
Gordon did this idea ever come to fruition? Still hoping these rare single versions/mixes would some how somewhere get at the very least a digital download release.
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No, it never came out and it won't. I was told that when Sony presented the idea to iTunes, iTunes said No to it - because they thought it would be too confusing to customers to have "single mixes" out and regular versions out.

Now, I'm guessing anyone reading this is stunned as I was when first hearing it ... as in, why does iTunes have a say (or seemingly, the final say) over what Sony puts out on iTunes? Even an independent artist can put up their own album on iTunes, through services like TuneCore - so why can't a big conglomerate like Sony? I'm as stunned as (I'm guessing) anyone reading this. First of all, I didn't even know that Sony had to run their ideas by iTunes. Maybe I'm not being given the fuller picture.

But this is what I was told. I even asked my contact, "Can this really be? And how can iTunes dictate what Sony releases??"

But once again I was told this is how it is. So all I can tell you is that these digital single mixes are not coming out - and we can only hope they will continue to come out here and there on CDs with bonus cuts - the way we later got Diana Ross's "So Close", for instance.

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And another puzzler about all this ... based on what iTunes apparently said, why would they care if a single mix and an album mix of a song were sold on iTunes? Wouldn't it mean more money for them if 2 versions were available? And by not putting out these single mixes, isn't that guaranteeing iTunes will make less money? What kind of business model is that?

The more I'm in this business, the more I'm puzzled about how it runs. You'd think it would make more sense over time, but for me, that's not the case.

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Sean Ross recently had a column on Radio Insight called
"Songs You Wish Would Test." A hundred or so responses
and many are songs that collectors have in their
collections. I brought up to a radio programmer the idea
that would a song test better if the single version or
mix was tested vs. the LP versions we all hear on
Classic Hits stations. His response was listeners don't
care and are used to the LP versions they stream or
listen to.

I guess only us collectors care.
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Originally posted by EdisonLite EdisonLite wrote:

No, it never came out and it won't. I
was told that when Sony presented the idea to iTunes,
iTunes said No to it - because they thought it would be
too confusing to customers to have "single mixes" out and
regular versions out.

Now, I'm guessing anyone reading this is stunned as I was
when first hearing it ... as in, why does iTunes have a
say (or seemingly, the final say) over what Sony puts out
on iTunes? Even an independent artist can put up their
own album on iTunes, through services like TuneCore - so
why can't a big conglomerate like Sony?


The bigger question is why don't the labels put up their
own download sites? You'd think it would be a piece of
cake, and given that most labels today are under one of a
handful of corporate umbrellas, it would be an easy way
to market.

I refuse to install that intrusive bloatware called
Itunes on my computer, and without it can't download
songs from their website.
Unfortunately, there aren't that many other legit sites,
and so many seem to make exclusive deals with Apple.
Fooey!


Originally posted by eriejwg eriejwg wrote:

Sean Ross recently had a column on Radio
Insight called
"Songs You Wish Would Test." A hundred or so responses
and many are songs that collectors have in their
collections. I brought up to a radio programmer the idea
that would a song test better if the single version or
mix was tested vs. the LP versions we all hear on
Classic Hits stations. His response was listeners don't
care and are used to the LP versions they stream or
listen to.

I guess only us collectors care.


I'd have to agree with him. So many songs today
(especially mid-60s into the 80s) the album version is
the de facto hit, if you played the single (or for that
matter the radio edit) people would think it was the
"wrong" version.

You're right, we collectors are pretty much the only ones
who know or care.
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I was surprised to notice today that Sony has placed a
digital mono single of Bobby Vinton's "Rain Rain Go
Away" b/w/ "Over And Over" on iTunes. I don't know how
long it's been there. A quick search did not unearth any
similar singles, but hopefully this is the start of a
trend.
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Paul C, thanks for the information on the Bobby Vinton
record. It's a nice addition to my collection that I
just purchased from I-Tunes.
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Originally posted by Paul C Paul C wrote:

I was surprised to notice today that
Sony has placed a
digital mono single of Bobby Vinton's "Rain Rain Go
Away" b/w/ "Over And Over" on iTunes. I don't know how
long it's been there. A quick search did not unearth any
similar singles, but hopefully this is the start of a
trend.


Thanks, Paul. It's also in lossless FLAC on 7Digital
(but not yet on Qobuz for some reason).
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Over the last few weeks, I've searched for just about
every Sony 1960s hit, and "Rain Rain Go Away" is the
only digital single I could find. Why Sony would issue
only one such digital single and why this one is
more than a bit puzzling.
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