45 vs. LP version distinction

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   Pat, you mention TOM JONES 1968 DELILAH (LP version) for all occurences.  What's different about it and the (presumably mono) 45?

Also 4 Seasons 1967 C'Mon Marianne.

thanks guys.

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davidclark Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 29	Post Options Post Reply Quote davidclark Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: 45 vs. LP version distinction Posted: 13 January 2006 at 3:23pm
	Pat, you mention TOM JONES 1968 DELILAH (LP version) for all occurences. What's different about it and the (presumably mono) 45? Also 4 Seasons 1967 C'Mon Marianne. thanks guys. Edited by davidclark
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davidclark Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 29	Post Options Post Reply Quote davidclark Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 January 2006 at 9:35am
	and another couple to determine the 45 vs. LP difference... Sam and David - Soul Man. Also Pat, you state that on Golden Age Of Black Music (1960-1970) (LP version). Is this correct. ARETHA FRANKLIN 1968 I SAY A LITTLE PRAYER ppppPLEASE help! btw, in my own little database of my own CDs that I wrote in MS Access years ago, I track these differences (text info) when I can. crazy or what! he he Edited by davidclark
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TomDiehl1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 13 January 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote TomDiehl1 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 January 2006 at 10:20pm
	There were two different 45 mixes for C'mon Marianne, one on the black Philips label and one on the blue Philips label....one's mix was considerably faster and had more punch to it, the other one was slower, lp speed i guess.
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	OK David, here are your answers. Delilah -- The 45 is a different vocal take than the LP. Listen to the line "and she laughed no more" at 1:34-1:38. C'mon Marianne - When the middle section of "Marianne" singing ends at about 1:18 and right before the music pitch change, it sounds like the background singers go "ohhhhhhhhh" downward a bit on the 45. You will not hear that on the stereo LP version. I Say A Little Prayer - The 45 version has yet to be released (in the US anyway). The 45 and LP version are identical up to the 2:15 mark where there is an edit. Soul Man - There is a line at the beginning (:17) that goes "comin' to you" on the 45 and "comin' to ya" on the LP.
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eriejwg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 79	Post Options Post Reply Quote eriejwg Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 January 2008 at 1:05pm
	Just picked up a stock 45 of "I Say A Little Prayer" from Aretha at a corner shop. Matrix is A-14894-1. From my determination, the 45 and LP are the same up to 1:39.856. To recreate the 45, remove from 1:39.856 to 2:30.972. That's it! Run time is 2:41. I used the 30 Greatest Hits version to edit.

bwolfe Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 24 May 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote bwolfe Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 January 2008 at 9:09am
	Another way you can tell the difference between the 45 mono and Lp version of "Soul Man" is midday through (sorry I don't have the exact time) an instrumental break they sing over the break. Whereas on the 45 mono version there is no singing.
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The Hits Man Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 04 February 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote The Hits Man Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 January 2008 at 7:02am
	I've seen "Aretha's Gold" on CD. The original vinyl LP has the 45 edit of "I Say A Little Prayer". Doesn't the CD have it too? Yes, the main difference of telling the mono 45 vs. the stereo LP mix of "Soul Man" is in the very first line. He sings "Comin' to YOU" with an upswing in his tone.


eriejwg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 79	Post Options Post Reply Quote eriejwg Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 January 2008 at 7:59am
	The digital online version of Aretha's Gold has the 3:35 LP version of "I Say A Little Prayer."

davidclark Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 29	Post Options Post Reply Quote davidclark Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 May 2011 at 3:20pm
	Pat, The database has a small error in the timing of on the only appearance of the 45 version of Aretha Franklin - I Say A Little Prayer on a US CD Atlantic Soul (1959-1975). You have 3:41; it should be 2:41 from what I read here.
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Pat Downey Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 01 October 2003 Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pat Downey Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 May 2011 at 3:19pm
	Yes it is (2:41).