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Any word on Complete Motown Singles 1972? |
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rnell ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 19 September 2006 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 3 |
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I've seen the track listing in this UK page a few days ago.
http://www.prescriptionmusicpruk.com/press-releases/2013/10/ 18/the-complete-motown-singles-volume-12b-1972.html |
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jimct ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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The full track listing/pre-order info for the final CMS volume, Vol. 12B:
1972 has now been updated to www.hip-oselect.com, including a detailed track listing. As of today, the release date is still shown as Dec. 10th. Whereas Amazon's price for it is currently $97.07, the Hip-O Select web site's price is just $75.98. So I have just pre-ordered from the latter, with priority shipping. The moment I get it, I will analyze it, and provide for Pat one final "guest review" for this series. Nine more db songs will be included on Vol. 12B, including a newly-pressed 45/Box Set cover insert of "Papa Was A Rollin' Stone". -Michael Jackson--Ben -Gladys Knight & The Pips--Daddy Could Swear, I Declare (this was actually a Top 40 hit in the late spring of 1973; but it's a nice bonus...) -Temptations--Papa Was A Rollin' Stone -Jackson 5--Corner Of The Sky (and these five, which all reached their chart peak positions in early 1973) -Stevie Wonder--Superstition -Jermaine Jackson--Daddy's Home -Marvin Gaye--Trouble Man -Diana Ross--Good Morning Heartache -Gladys Knight & The Pips--Neither One Of Us (as the last track on the last CD.) Although my info has both the included singles by this group actually issued as 45s in 1973 (between 1/1 and 1/21/73 for "Neither...", debuting in BB on 1/27/73), to me, it's a nice touch to end the CMS series on a "high note", with a #2 smash hit, as well as ensuring that all of the group's Top 40 hits on Soul/Motown were all included in this series (with their first 45 for Buddah issued in June of '73.) I also think it's great that when Harry Weinger & Co. realized they had a little bit of extra CD capacity left over to play with, they decided to put it to good use, and were able to include Gladys' last two Motown Top 40 hits. A class move! Edited by jimct |
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jimct ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I just got an e-mail from Motown Select, saying that the final CMS
installment (12B) was Priority shipped to me on Wed (12/4/13). Hopefully, it will arrive by Saturday. I will then provide my final "guest review" to Pat. I also want to thank Pat personally, for both allowing me and trusting me to report CMS findings to him that are 100% accurate. I know that this arrangement is not something that Pat has agreed to very often, over the years. As a result of his open mind, a good number of unique stock and promo 45 versions, many of which made their only CD appearance on these volumes, do appear in the db. I'm also relieved that this series could finally be issued to its initially planned end year (1972 - thanks, Stevie Wonder!) Usually, when a project "stalls/bogs down" for 3+ years, there's little or no hope left for a series resumption. And I'm sure that without Motown's Harry Weinger, these two 1972 sets would never have been released. We collectors need more guys like Harry Weinger, fighting the fight for us from the corporate side of things! |
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Brian W. ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 17 |
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I was about to finally purchase the two 1972 volumes of this series with some Amazon gift cards I received for my birthday. Then I noticed: There are MORE incorrect stereo versions substituted for mono versions!
In fact, it looks like 1972B might be all stereo. For example, "Ben" is stereo; "Little Bitty Pretty One" on 12A is stere; the 45s for both were mono. Really disappointing. |
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jimct ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Brian, inside the CMS 1972 liner notes (not sure if it was 1972A or
1972B's), Harry Weinger explained that, by 1972, more and more Motown 45s were being originally recorded/prepared for stereo. I think he made mention that, although some 1972 stock copies were still being released in mono, a majority of 1972 promo 45s were issued in mono/stereo. (Late 1972's #1 hit "Papa Was A Rollin' Stone" was an exception, though. All promo/stock 45s for it were mono, and included an instrumental B-side; the song does appear on the 1972B CMS volume in mono.) Weinger stated that *all* 1972 mono 45 versions were simply fold-downs of the stereo 45 versions. So, all other things being equal, he opted to include the stereo single masters for these 1972 45 tracks. (And you know that I, like you, am normally partial to mono 45 versions.) Personally, I thought his rationale here made good sense, trusting that his facts were in order. Weinger clearly had to decide here, one way or the other, or else both 1972 packages would've become 10 CD sets! Brian, if you've happened upon any evidence where Weinger mis-spoke, and located any 1972 mono single mixes that *weren't* simply fold downs of the stereo single mixes, then please provide specific examples. If you'd like me to shoot you out "Ben", "Little Bitty Pretty One", or any other specific 1972 tracks, to compare/contrast against your 45s, just let me know. |
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Brian W. ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 17 |
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Mm... I had suspected that could be the reason. Because just last night I verified that "Got to Be There" is definitely, 100% a fold-down, and it sounded to me like "Ben" probably was, too, although it was hard to tell from the 45 someone posted on YouTube. Yes, I agree that the decision makes sense. Thanks, Jim. Edited by Brian W. |
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Bill Cahill ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 27 June 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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I compared "Trouble Man" by Marvin Gaye using the mono and stereo sides of the DJ copy, and it certainly sounds like a fold down to me.
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