"Double Vision" - Foreigner - Top 40 Music on CD Forum

The LP version runs about 3:42.

I prefer the version on Atlantic's Very Best Of And Beyond (1992), which sounds very nice. There's a digitally identical clone on JCI's Only Rock 'N Roll 1975-1979 (1994).

The version on Sessions/Warner Special Products' 2-CD Night Beat (1988) has a very bass-shy EQ.

The 45 edit runs 3:29.

The first version of the 45 edit appeared on Atlantic's Records (copyright 1982). The original pressing of Records sounds like it's from a relatively high-generation tape source. There's a remaster of Records, with an "RE-1" in the matrix number. The RE-1 remaster sounds like it's from better source tapes, but is mastered a bit loud.

Both Records masterings show a slight editing error at 1:17, which has a click in the left channel at an edit. A close inspection of the waveform shows that the left and right channels aren't edited at the same time. If I didn't point it out, you probably wouldn't notice.

There's a different analog transfer on Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 10 1978 (1990), which (to my ears) sounds a little better than Records. The same analog transfer is used for Time-Life's Guitar Rock Vol. 2 1978-1979 (1993). Both have the click at 1:17.

The version on Mystic Music/Warner Special Products' 2-CD Good Times (1991) has its left/right channels reversed, and has the click at 1:17. Avoid.

The version on Atlantic/Rhino's Complete Greatest Hits (2002) is mastered really loud, but fixes the click at 1:17.

And now, I provide entirely useless editing instructions for recreating the widely-available 45 version from the LP version, using the timings from Very Best Of And Beyond:

Segment 1
Extends from 0:00.0 to 1:17.4 of both the LP version and 45 edit
Ends on a snare

Remove the 16 beats from 1:17.4 to 1:24.7 of the LP version

Segment 2
Begins on a snare
Extends from 1:24.7 to 3:37.3 of the LP version
Extends from 1:17.4 to 3:29.9 of the 45 edit
Ends on a downbeat

Fade
24 beats long
Extends from 3:26.3 to 3:37.3 of the LP version
Extends from 3:18.9 to 3:29.9 of the 45 edit

Your mixdown will run 3:29.9, with one edit at 1:17.4 and a 24-beat-long fade starting at 3:18.9.

Edited by crapfromthepast

There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one Crap From The Past.

Sounds like Atlantic/Rhino recreated the 45 edit for Complete Greatest Hits.

Does anyone know if the left channel click at 1:17 is on the original 45? I don't have a needledrop to compare.

There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one Crap From The Past.

I stand corrected. I went back and don't think it's
there on the promo 45.

Anyone else?

Edited by eriejwg

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Todd Ireland Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote Todd Ireland Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: "Double Vision" - Foreigner Posted: 01 June 2009 at 6:30pm
	Jim tells me his commercial 45 copy of Foreigner's "Double Vision" has an actual and printed run time of 3:29. I only mention this because database CDs containing the 45 version of this song run 3:28-3:34. Edited by Todd Ireland

crapfromthepast Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Online Points: 93	Post Options Post Reply Quote crapfromthepast Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 April 2015 at 5:40pm
	The LP version runs about 3:42. I prefer the version on Atlantic's Very Best Of And Beyond (1992), which sounds very nice. There's a digitally identical clone on JCI's Only Rock 'N Roll 1975-1979 (1994). The version on Sessions/Warner Special Products' 2-CD Night Beat (1988) has a very bass-shy EQ. The 45 edit runs 3:29. The first version of the 45 edit appeared on Atlantic's Records (copyright 1982). The original pressing of Records sounds like it's from a relatively high-generation tape source. There's a remaster of Records, with an "RE-1" in the matrix number. The RE-1 remaster sounds like it's from better source tapes, but is mastered a bit loud. Both Records masterings show a slight editing error at 1:17, which has a click in the left channel at an edit. A close inspection of the waveform shows that the left and right channels aren't edited at the same time. If I didn't point it out, you probably wouldn't notice. There's a different analog transfer on Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 10 1978 (1990), which (to my ears) sounds a little better than Records. The same analog transfer is used for Time-Life's Guitar Rock Vol. 2 1978-1979 (1993). Both have the click at 1:17. The version on Mystic Music/Warner Special Products' 2-CD Good Times (1991) has its left/right channels reversed, and has the click at 1:17. Avoid. The version on Atlantic/Rhino's Complete Greatest Hits (2002) is mastered really loud, but fixes the click at 1:17. And now, I provide entirely useless editing instructions for recreating the widely-available 45 version from the LP version, using the timings from Very Best Of And Beyond: Segment 1 Extends from 0:00.0 to 1:17.4 of both the LP version and 45 edit Ends on a snare Remove the 16 beats from 1:17.4 to 1:24.7 of the LP version Segment 2 Begins on a snare Extends from 1:24.7 to 3:37.3 of the LP version Extends from 1:17.4 to 3:29.9 of the 45 edit Ends on a downbeat Fade 24 beats long Extends from 3:26.3 to 3:37.3 of the LP version Extends from 3:18.9 to 3:29.9 of the 45 edit Your mixdown will run 3:29.9, with one edit at 1:17.4 and a 24-beat-long fade starting at 3:18.9. Edited by crapfromthepast
	There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one Crap From The Past.

eriejwg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 90	Post Options Post Reply Quote eriejwg Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 April 2015 at 7:01pm
	Just compared my copy from Records to a downloaded copy from Complete Greatest Hits. The rather long, drawn out fade on Complete Greatest Hits starts at 3:04, while the fade on Records matches Ron's instructions above.

crapfromthepast Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Online Points: 93	Post Options Post Reply Quote crapfromthepast Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 April 2015 at 7:33pm
	Sounds like Atlantic/Rhino recreated the 45 edit for Complete Greatest Hits. Does anyone know if the left channel click at 1:17 is on the original 45? I don't have a needledrop to compare.
	There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one Crap From The Past.

eriejwg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 90	Post Options Post Reply Quote eriejwg Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 April 2015 at 1:57pm
	HitsTownUSA has a promo 45 posted on YouTube and it sounds like the promo 45 has the click at the edit point. Double Vision Promo 45

eriejwg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 90	Post Options Post Reply Quote eriejwg Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 April 2015 at 2:01pm
	I stand corrected. I went back and don't think it's there on the promo 45. Anyone else? Edited by eriejwg