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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MMathews Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 June 2015 at 11:23pm
David, I'm going to do a sync check on this 45, I am just
awaiting a good dub of it. I'll post my findings as soon
as possible.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Oddbjorn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 June 2015 at 2:20am
Davidclark, Yes it is the same opening on the UK45 as the one on YouTube.
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MM you da man! thanks.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MMathews Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 June 2015 at 11:55pm
OK
I just finished comparing a dub of a confirmed original
Laurie 3284 single with the stereo mix (taken from
Rhino's Brit. Invasion Vol 4, but just about any Cd will
do.)

I have no idea what info was being passed around on the
Skyline site years ago, but there is NO difference
between the U.S. 45 and the stereo mix. I just folded
the stereo mix down, and put it side by side against the
Laurie single. They are the same mix, no changes. Laurie
didn't even compress it. The are identical.
Now, my single has a listed time of (2:22) but actual is
(2:21).
All the CD versions that run (2:22) are just a tad slower
than the 45 but pretty much every copy is within 1
second.

Happy to put this issue to bed. I've just emailed Pat an
mp3 of my sync-file so he can be confident in my report!

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote bitman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 June 2015 at 11:00am
That's good to know. I took the mono version from The EMI Years 1963-1966, then folded down the opening bongos from a stereo version of the song and tacked them on to recreate the 45 version, which I'm relieved to find out is apparently the actual 45 version.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MMathews Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 June 2015 at 7:42pm
Bitman, later I'll be doing one final sync check and compare the LP mix to the mono UK 45 version to see if there are any differences...David said the drums sound different.
It's quite possible they did a dedicated mono mix for the UK but did not send that to Laurie.   I'll post whatever I find here.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MMathews Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 June 2015 at 4:35pm
OK I compared the U.S. 45 + LP version with the mono EMI
Years version and found the latter to be a dedicated mono
mix. It also runs a slower pitch than the U.S version.

The opening "bongos / drums" - we'll just say "the drum
track" - is mixed way out of the intro. So David heard
right. There is only a "bleed-thru" of them in the
background, and then they are turned up full as soon as
he starts singing.
The rest of the mix is basically the same, I only
detected a slight difference in the reverb. Another minor
thing is the vocal track is potted up full during the
intro so you hear breath sounds louder where the US
version those sounds are present, but much lower in the
mix before he starts singing.

For bitman: so the version you created by tacking on the
drum track intro can't work because the drum part would
be missing from :04 - :14. Simply fold down the entire
stereo mix and that makes the U.S 45.

So it appears from the above research that the EMI Years
CD and any others containing this mix can be described as
the "UK & Canadian 45 Version" while the rest of the CD's
need no description at all.     
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glad you got to the bottom of this, Markie (and glad we are correct).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TomDiehl1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 July 2015 at 1:16pm
I am wondering if the original discussion about the
intro being a different vocal take was in reference to
the song I'll Be There, where the stereo mix does
contain a different vocal take (though the intro vocal
to the US 45 version for I'll Be There can be found at
the end of the stereo mix of that particular song).
Live in stereo.
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