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I have finally managed to locate my one-sided Sugar Hill 806 listed (4:05)
promo 45 - on vinyl, no less. (Surprising only because I recall all of my other
Sugar Hill 45s, be it promo or stock, was always pressed on styrene.)

It has an actual time of (4:06), with handwritten deadwax of "VID-6005-A",
followed by "TRUTONE-PA-10-83".

I have already shot out dubs of this to Aaron and Doug, and after just now
re-reading this thread, I will do the same later today for "also interested
parties" Ron and John.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote crapfromthepast Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 February 2016 at 1:33pm
Jim's promo 45 is a really good edit of the song, and is very different from what I posted above.

I humbly retract the editing instructions from above, since they're not even close to what's on the real US promo 45.

(I know I reverse-engineered *something*, but after 17 years, I don't remember what it was. Regardless, it's a terrible edit. Don't use it.)

I will re-investigate shortly, and will post revised editing instructions.

Thanks, Jim!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote eriejwg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 February 2016 at 3:46pm
I was able to easily recreate Jim's promo 45 from the
4:29 1 track single on Rhapsody.

Remove from 0:00.000 - 0:08.326
With what you have left, place a fade, beginning on the
word "rock" at 3:59.3 to the word "freeze" at 4:06.2

Ending file runs 4:06.2
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Confirming eriejwg's findings - this one is really easy if you start with one of the Rhino discs.

The version on Rhino's Best Of Sugar Hill Records (1998) sounds great. The version on Rhino's Millennium Hip-Hop Party (1999) is digitally exactly 1.431 dB quieter than Best Of Sugar Hill Records. Both have the same timings if you want to do your own edits.

My editing instructions are basically the same as eriejwg's, but I start my fade a few beats earlier. (I use a sinusoidal-shape fade in Cool Edit Pro, which has a very gentle start.)

Remove the 16 beats from 0:00 to 0:08.9 of the Rhino versions.

Segment 1
472 beats long
Begins and ends on a downbeat
Extends from 0:00.0 to 4:05.5 of the promo 45 edit
Extends from 0:08.9 to 4:14.4 of the Rhino versions

Fade
16 beats long
Begins and ends on a downbeat
Extends from 3:57.1 to 4:05.5 of the promo 45 edit
Extends from 4:06.0 to 4:14.4 of the Rhino versions

Your mixdown will have no edits in it, will run 4:05.5, and will have a 16-beat long fade from 3:57.1 to 4:05.5.
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Glad that's all straightened out!
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