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Pat Downey 
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 Posted: 29 April 2016 at 10:47am |
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Just listened to Please Mr. Postman again to compare it to what appears on the "Horizon" cd which is the parent album for this song. There is a mix difference with the 45 being narrower stereo on this new cd than what appears on the "Horizon" cd but I noticed a tambourine on the "Horizon" cd from 2:00 to 2:02 over the line "deliver the letter" that I do not hear on the new "Complete Singles" cd so I will leave it to the bloodhounds to determine if this is a remix on the "Horizon" cd or if there is really a 45 vs LP version here that no one has yet caught!
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eriejwg
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Posted: 29 April 2016 at 12:48pm |
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A while back, Ed was kind enough to send me a copy of
Please Mr. Postman from the Japanese Singles box to listen to. I hear NO tambourine over the "...deliver the letter" portion from 2:00-2:02 from the Japanese collection. |
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Pat Downey
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Posted: 29 April 2016 at 7:01pm |
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Correct, I hear no tambourine on the 45 or on the "Complete Singles" collection. The question deals with the parent album.
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Glenpwood
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Posted: 30 April 2016 at 10:22pm |
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I just compared my original Horizon CD from the early nineties, my
original Horizon WLP vinyl, and the Complete Singles set I just got from PBS and none of them have tambourine at the "deliver de letter" point. Unless Pat's CD is the 1998 remaster which I do not have which is allegedly the original mixes. That Should match my LP though. Richard would have had plenty of time to make a new mix for the original album in 1975. It was released nearly six months after Postman rang in at number one... |
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MMathews
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Posted: 05 May 2016 at 1:44am |
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With Pat's help I was able to compare the assorted
versions of this from the Horizon vinyl LP, the Cd re- issue of the LP, the promo 45, the stock 45 as well the Complete Singles Cd and the later remix. Pat has indeed uncovered a 45/LP version that no one has previously mentioned! What Pat thought was a tambourine is actually loud hi-hat hits in the right channel of the LP version from 2:00-2:02. Those same hi-hats in the 45 are mixed much lower and are panned to the center. Some other differences I noticed: The 45 mix is more narrow, and has all the vocals mixed in the center with mono reverb. The handclaps and hi-hats are mixed to the center. The strings that come in at about :30 only appear in the left channel. The kick-drum is mixed to the right channel. The Horizon LP mix is wider stereo, has some stereo vocals and stereo reverb. The handclaps and hi-hats are much louder and mixed to the right channel. The strings come in in both channels, and the kick drum is in the center. The vinyl Horizon LP and CD re-issue are the same. Then, there's the 1991 remix which is on a lot of CD's...this mix is similar to the LP mix but even wider stereo with wider mixed vocals and added stereo reverb. This is the only version I have heard in the last 25 years that I know of. The good news: the 45 mix apparently appears on CD for the first time in the Complete Singles CD. The BAD news: I'm very sorry to report that to my ears, it is a disc dub on this CD and it sounds a bit over- processed, like somebody used Adobe Audition's de-clicker on too high a setting, or used CEDAR on it. This shaved off all the top hi's in the music giving it a washed-out sound. It's also even narrower here than the actual stock 45 is. So, kudos for the producer knowing there was indeed a single mix and including it, but not-so-kudos for the disc dub. If they had just left the clicks in it at least it would have sounded right. [EDIT: Update! SEE BELOW] Edited by MMathews |
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EdisonLite
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Posted: 05 May 2016 at 11:52am |
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With your expert ears, Mark, and knowing that the "Complete Singles" is also the first time ever the 45 mix of "Calling Occupants" has apparently appeared on CD from master tape (the Japanese CD singles box set includes the 45 mix but also was a disc dub) -- have you heard the version of "Occupants" on "Complete Singles" and used your expert ears to determine if that's a disc dub or a master tape? It's been reported to be a tape source (from people whose ears I completely trust) but I wanted to get your take on it, in case we're all missing something and it's also an overly processed Adobe or Cedar cleaning.
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aaronk
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Posted: 05 May 2016 at 4:49pm |
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I have this CD, Mark, and there's nothing about "Please Mr. Postman" that sounds like a vinyl dub to my ears. When I do a "vocal cut" in Adobe Audition, I'm still left with plenty of reverb from the vocals, so it's definitely not mono vocal reverb on my copy. Are you sure your sources are properly labeled?
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MMathews
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Posted: 07 May 2016 at 8:19pm |
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Update! Ok, after hearing Aaron's copy of the Complete
Singles CD I discovered there was a technical issue with the copy Pat sent me so the audio flaws I was hearing were not really over-processed vinyl after all. So good news, this set really has the single mix from a clean tape source. So real kudos this time! Aaron, there is some ambient reverb that remains when you cancel the center but overall in the single mix most of the vocal reverb is in the center behind the vocals. In the LP and later mix it's much more of a stereo reverb you hear in both channels. Also the CD master is a bit narrower than the stock 45 but one can widen it a little in Audition or similar software, if so desired. Edison: I can't speak to "Calling Occupants" as I do not actually own the set, but perhaps Aaron could chime in and let us know how that sounds. MM Edited by MMathews |
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Posted: 07 May 2016 at 10:52pm |
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"Occupants" sounds like tape to my ears.
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