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Originally posted by jimct jimct wrote:

Such research is very time consuming.


That perfectly sums up why I hadn't chimed in earlier, Jim. It's one thing to compare one or two 45s, but the mere thought of doing so for all the mono 5th Dimension 45s I have made my ears glaze over, so to speak.

Having said that, there is at least one 5D hit that definitely has a dedicated mono mix: "Go Where You Wanna Go." The first time I heard the song in stereo several years after buying the Soul City 45, two things about it jumped out: the vocals were far more upfront and the bass and percussion were far more subdued than on the 45.

But the 45 has its own major issue: while the prominence of the driving beat really makes the mono mix cook, it also manages to overpower the vocals.
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Thanks Yah Shure for covering off on the one 45 you knew
about. Another one to search out or hope for a release
at some point.

Great to get helpful feedback as always. Thanks for the
response.




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Originally posted by Yah Shure Yah Shure wrote:

I don't have all of their singles, by any means, but the vast majority of the 5D's commercial 45s were mono. Here's what I do have, and others can fill in the missing info:


Soul City commercial 45s:

up through 776 "Workin' On A Groovy Thing" - MONO
779 - "Wedding Bell Blues" - MONO
780 - Blowing Away - STEREO
(781 - "The Girls' Song" - don't have)

Bell commercial 45s:

860 - Medley: "A Change Is Gonna Come" & "People Got To Be Free" / "The Declaration" - MONO
880 - "Puppet Man" - MONO
895 - "Save The Country" - MONO
(913 - "On The Beach" - don't have)
940 - "One Less Bell To Answer" - MONO
965 - "Love's Lines, Angles And Rhymes" - MONO
999 - "Light Sings" - MONO
(45134 - "Never My Love" - don't have)
(45170 - "Together Let's Find Love" - don't have)
45185 - "(Last Night) I Didn't Get To Sleep At All" - MONO
45261 - "If I Could Reach You" - MONO

I only have promo copies of the Bell/Arista/ABC 45s after those.
I have "The Girls' Song" 45 and it is in stereo.
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Over the course of the last year I did have a chance to
do some of the detailed analysis Jim describes above for
just a few of their hits. Not many yet, but it's a start.

I carefully synchronized the 45 dubs with folded down
stereo mixes.

One thing to keep in mind is that sometimes a mix sounds
different if additional EQ or compression was applied to
the single.

That being said, I can certify that these songs are
indeed fold downs:
Aquarius/Let The Sunshine
Wedding Bell Blues
Love's Lines, Angles & Rhymes (fold-down+edit)
Go Where You Wanna Go**

**Yah Shure: when i first a/b this one, I too thought it
was a dedicated mix. But this was a case where the 45 was
heavily compressed pushing the vocals a little farther
back in the mix.

I did one more song that wasn't a top 40 hit but a great
song, that was "Ashes To Ashes." With Jim's help
I found that 45 has a completely different vocal take
than the stereo LP.

I'll report again when I have more info on other singles.
MM


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https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Soul-City-Singles-1966-1975/ dp/B01M65ADE0/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1476986985 &sr=1-1&linkCode=ll1&tag=10e634-20&linkId=df44ff96456ec2e2e1 00c964cb8e5a71

The Complete Soul City/Bell Singles 1966-1975 (3 CD Set)

Looks like I'll get my wish for Christmas. Mono heaven.

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Originally posted by MMathews MMathews wrote:


I did one more song that wasn't a top 40 hit but a great
song, that was "Ashes To Ashes."

I know that one, and have it from SoulSeel. Written by one of the 70s best writer-producer teams, Lambert & Potter.
You know you're really older when you think that younger singer Jesse McCartney's related in anyway to former Beatle Paul McCartney.
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Originally posted by Indy500 Indy500 wrote:

https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Soul-City-Singles-
1966-1975/ dp/B01M65ADE0/ref=as_li_ss_tl?
s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1476986985 &sr=1-1&linkCode=ll1&tag=10e634-
20&linkId=df44ff96456ec2e2e1 00c964cb8e5a71

The Complete Soul City/Bell Singles 1966-1975 (3 CD Set)

Looks like I'll get my wish for Christmas. Mono heaven.
Looks like
all of the songs on The Complete Soul City/Bell Singles 1966-1975 are in
mono, which is great.

But I thought the original 45 versions of Blowing Away and Sweet Blindness
were stereo. Does anyone know where the mono versions of these songs
came from for this compilation? Are these from the dj promos?
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This may have been covered previously but the mono versions that I own of Sweet Blindness and Blowing Away sure sound like fold downs. My reference
copies are the DJ mono/stereo of Sweet Blindness, and an original stock copy of Blowing Away (stereo) which I can compare to the Bell re-issue that was
mono. Of course, Bell may have just done a fold down of their own for their re-issue series instead of using DJ 45 mono masters, I don't know. But JL's
question still remains open, for the CD were the DJ mono copies used for reference as at least some stock copies were stereo?

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