Gladys Knight/Pips-"You Need Love Like.."

My commercial 45, which is mono, has a listed time of (3:20), but an actual time of (3:38).

Ed - Great observation!

I compared my promo 45 with Ultimate Collection,
and I discovered that it's not just a simple edit,
either.

The two stay in perfect synch until 2:50.2.

The two beats from 2:50.2 to 2:51.5 have a prominent horn
line on the 45. There's no horn line on the CD version.

The 4 beats from 2:51.5 to 2:53.8, which has the sung
line, "you need like like I do don't you", are present on
the 45, but are cut out of the CD version. As a result,
the CD version gets to the bridge exactly 4 beats before
the 45 version does. The 45 has the sung line, where the
CD goes into the bridge right from the drum fill. The
stereo versions have the same structure as the 45, with
the sung line before the bridge.

After the edit, the 45 is slightly faster than the CD
version; the two were perfectly in synch before the edit.

My ears aren't good enough to detect a change in pitch
after the edit in either the 45 or the CD, but one of
them must either be slightly too fast or slightly too
slow.

I think the fade on the CD may start slightly earlier,
but both the 45 and the CD extend out to roughly the same
point.

I can't tell if there's an overall mix difference between
the CD and the 45 - my 45 has been beaten to death (it
was one of the first 45s I ever owned; my grandfather got
me a pile of white-label promo 45s when I was about 3 or
4). The CD is certainly much cleaner, but the 45 seems
to have more oomph.

I compared the stereo versions on the 2-CD
Anthology and on Motown Year By Year 1970,
and one of them has their left/right channels reversed.
On Anthology, the ride cymbal is mostly on the
left channel during the intro. On Year By Year,
it's mostly on the right. I couldn't detect any noise
reduction on either one, but there's plenty of hiss on
the fade on Year By Year, but none at all on
Anthology.

This is one of my all-time favorite songs, ever.
Probably because I've had the 45 since I was around 4...

There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one Crap From The Past.

yes...brian was kind enough to forward me a file of the
mono version from the motown singles 1970 cd and it is the
correct single, mono version....i just A/B'ed it versus the
vinyl 45........thx brian for your help!!

Edited by edtop40

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jimct Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote jimct Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Gladys Knight/Pips-"You Need Love Like.." Posted: 26 May 2008 at 10:21pm
	My commercial 45, which is mono, has a listed time of (3:20), but an actual time of (3:38).

edtop40 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2	Post Options Post Reply Quote edtop40 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 July 2013 at 4:19pm
	interesting one here.....the cd 'ultimate collection' which is one of two mono versions in the db runs 3:34 and contains an edit of 0:04 near the end of the song....this entry will have to be reviewed and re-labeled 'neither'
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crapfromthepast Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 40	Post Options Post Reply Quote crapfromthepast Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 July 2013 at 8:14pm
	Ed - Great observation! I compared my promo 45 with Ultimate Collection, and I discovered that it's not just a simple edit, either. The two stay in perfect synch until 2:50.2. The two beats from 2:50.2 to 2:51.5 have a prominent horn line on the 45. There's no horn line on the CD version. The 4 beats from 2:51.5 to 2:53.8, which has the sung line, "you need like like I do don't you", are present on the 45, but are cut out of the CD version. As a result, the CD version gets to the bridge exactly 4 beats before the 45 version does. The 45 has the sung line, where the CD goes into the bridge right from the drum fill. The stereo versions have the same structure as the 45, with the sung line before the bridge. After the edit, the 45 is slightly faster than the CD version; the two were perfectly in synch before the edit. My ears aren't good enough to detect a change in pitch after the edit in either the 45 or the CD, but one of them must either be slightly too fast or slightly too slow. I think the fade on the CD may start slightly earlier, but both the 45 and the CD extend out to roughly the same point. I can't tell if there's an overall mix difference between the CD and the 45 - my 45 has been beaten to death (it was one of the first 45s I ever owned; my grandfather got me a pile of white-label promo 45s when I was about 3 or 4). The CD is certainly much cleaner, but the 45 seems to have more oomph. I compared the stereo versions on the 2-CD Anthology and on Motown Year By Year 1970, and one of them has their left/right channels reversed. On Anthology, the ride cymbal is mostly on the left channel during the intro. On Year By Year, it's mostly on the right. I couldn't detect any noise reduction on either one, but there's plenty of hiss on the fade on Year By Year, but none at all on Anthology. This is one of my all-time favorite songs, ever. Probably because I've had the 45 since I was around 4...
	There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one Crap From The Past.

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	Ron tells me that the Complete Motown Singles 1970 version is correct. So there's one version that's legit.
	Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken.

edtop40 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2	Post Options Post Reply Quote edtop40 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 July 2013 at 6:41pm
	yes...brian was kind enough to forward me a file of the mono version from the motown singles 1970 cd and it is the correct single, mono version....i just A/B'ed it versus the vinyl 45........thx brian for your help!! Edited by edtop40
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