Gordon Lightfoot-"Sundown"

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   My commercial 45, which is stereo, has a listed time of (3:37), but an actual time of (3:33).

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jimct Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote jimct Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Gordon Lightfoot-"Sundown" Posted: 30 May 2007 at 4:23am
	My commercial 45, which is stereo, has a listed time of (3:37), but an actual time of (3:33).

RichM921 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 30 October 2007 Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote RichM921 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 October 2011 at 4:52pm
	I was just reading a review on Amazon for his "Complete Greatest Hits" CD and the review stated that the compilation uses the single mix for Sundown which apparently differs from the LP version. This is news to me. How does the single differ from the album? Edited by RichM921

AndrewChouffi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 24 September 2005 Status: Offline Points: 44	Post Options Post Reply Quote AndrewChouffi Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 October 2011 at 5:24pm
	The single mix has a more pronounced time-delayed reverb on the drums & the lead guitar is mixed a little louder. Andy

The Hits Man Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 04 February 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote The Hits Man Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 October 2011 at 9:14pm
	All Gordon Lightfoot CD comps except the last one have a remix of "Sundown". Many times, "Single Version" is on the CD because that's the way it appears on the master tape box.


EdisonLite Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 18 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 225	Post Options Post Reply Quote EdisonLite Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 October 2011 at 7:10am
	So what is the story with this one, exactly? The database indicates no different versions at all. Is the "remix" the actual single version or an alternate version? That would seem quite odd, if what Hits Man says is true, that all versions on CD (except the last listing) is not the single or album version, but a remix.

AndrewChouffi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 24 September 2005 Status: Offline Points: 44	Post Options Post Reply Quote AndrewChouffi Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 October 2011 at 7:28am
	The versions released on CD before 'Complete Greatest Hits' was released sure sound exactly like the mix on my vinyl LP 'Sundown'. The version on 'Complete Greatest Hits' sounds like the 45 mix. It is not a drastic difference, but the 45 is a "better" mix. Andy

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 260	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 December 2014 at 9:02pm
	The double disc set "Easy 70s" also has the 45 mix, so Pat may want to update the database. The difference in reverb is subtle to my ears, but when doing a comparison, the single does have a more time-delayed reverb on the drums.
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crapfromthepast Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 161	Post Options Post Reply Quote crapfromthepast Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 December 2014 at 7:45pm
	I'm still surprised to learn that the 45 and LP versions were mixed differently, 40 years after the song came out. LP mix My preferred version for the LP mix is Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 15 1974 Take Two (1991), where it sounds superb. Excellent dynamic range, great EQ, and not a hint of NR on the fade. It runs 3:32 here. The same analog transfer is used for: Rhino's Mellow Rock Hits Sundown (1997; absolute polarity inverted, but that doesn't affect sound quality) Time-Life's Singers And Songwriters Vol. 31 Classics (2001; digitally identical) The version on Gord's Gold has great dynamic range and a nice EQ as well, but has a tape azimuth alignment error that makes the track sound warbly when summed to mono (listen for the tamborine). The same analog transfer is used for: TM Century's GoldDisc 211 (also includes noise reduction, adding to the problems here) 45 mix The version on Razor & Tie's 2-CD Easy '70s (1993) runs about 0.7% too fast, has great dynamic range and nice EQ, but also has a tape azimuth alignment error that makes the track sound warbly when summed to mono. Much better is Complete Greatest Hits, where it runs at the correct speed, has great dynamic range, nice EQ, and has no sum-to-mono issues. It runs 3:37 here. Edited by crapfromthepast
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