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MMathews ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 18 August 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I was curious to see if the stereo LP version was a different recording or alternate take, so i did a quick synch-up of the stereo and mono. It's the same backing track, but indeed a different vocal take, the entire song.
It was very similar so i never noticed that. BTW, i did own the Koko stereo LP, so it must have been the later stereo pressing. I assumed the Varese/Dick Bartley CD dubbed it from that LP, but it was such a clean clear copy i got rid of the LP several years ago, so i don't have the dead-wax numbers or anything. Oh weel, now i know why the mono version is used so much. I won't let this new info bother me much about the stereo version, i mean if i didn't notice it was different in 25 years, i guess its close enough. -MM |
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PhilMH ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 21 July 2010 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Now that I've listened over headphones, I can hear the pop and noise at 0:35 and 1:08 (though still not the one at 2:47!) and I agree that the "wrong" near the end is ever-so-slightly different. Still, it's close enough to the hit to not matter, I'm just glad to hear it in stereo at last! I've now ordered the UK two-on-one of Luther's first two albums, it will be interesting to hear whether or not it is the same tape.
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Todd Ireland ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23 |
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The database currently notes that both the 45 and LP run time of Luther Ingram's "(If Loving You Is Wrong) I Don't Want to Be Right" is 3:32. According to some notes I have from Jim, he reports his commercial 45 copy has an actual run time of 3:29, not 3:25 as stated on the record label.
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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 43 |
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I'm going to go out on a limb, and speculate about four points, none of which I can verify firsthand:
45 and mono LP version (3:29) The oldest CD I have with the song is Rhino's Didn't It Blow Your Mind Vol. 8 (1991), where it runs 3:25. The database says "sounds like it was mastered from vinyl", and I believe that it really is a needledrop, but I don't hear the usual artifacts that I hear from needledrops. It's a very good needledrop, with excellent dynamic range, and nice EQ. I don't hear any evidence of noise reduction on the fade, although it's possible that Rhino hastened the fade to mask the low-volume vinyl artifacts at the end of the track. The following CDs all use the same needledrop as Didn't It Blow Your Mind Vol. 8:
Stereo LP version (3:38) It's clearly a needledrop on Varese Sarabande's Dick Bartley On The Radio Vol. 5 (1998), with turntable rumble noise reduction artifacts on the fade. Safe to say that the other 3:38 versions on CD are all from this needledrop. My recommendations For the 45/mono LP version, go with Time-Life's 2-CD Body And Soul Vol. 7 Slow And Easy (1999), but only because the fade extends longer than the other discs. Any of the CDs I listed above sound good. For the stereo LP version, go with Varese Sarabande's Dick Bartley On The Radio Vol. 5 (1998). |
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KentT ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 25 May 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Some things to know. Koko Records in that era was
distributed by Stax Records in Memphis during their independent era. Larry Nix mastered the original Plastic Products Memphis pressing of the 45 I own. Fantasy Records bought the post 1968 Stax/Volt/Enterprise/Ardent catalog in 1976. I wonder if the single master is sitting on an old Stax job reel of 1972 singles masters? It might well if these singles masters have survived. And if so, are they in Concord's Stax master tape library. Stranger things have happened. Edited by KentT |
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The Hits Man ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 04 February 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Kent, the single version was released on CD twice by
Rhino. It is on: Soul Hits Of The '70s - didn't it blow your mind! Vol. 8 Billboard Hot Soul Hits; 1972 Of course, both CDs are long out of print. Ever since those two CDs were released, everyone has been using that stereo version, which sounds very close to the single, but not it. The KoKo label was short-lived, and was distributed by Stax Records. The label was set up for Johnny Baylor. Edited by The Hits Man |
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KentT ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 25 May 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Yes, and it sounds like it was taken from vinyl. Transfer
is reasonably good given that. I was pointing out where the tapes likely exist which made that 45 to begin with. And where for reissue engineers to begin looking. The tapes are likely still at Concord in the vaults on a singles master reel. When 45 RPM singles get prepared for a label release, they get spliced together on a 10 1/2" reel of full track Mono or half track Stereo tape to facilitate lacquer mastering and the succeeding steps for plating and pressing. Stax would have assembled this reel, Larry Nix used it to cut lacquer masters for 45 RPM pressing. Then usually the reel would get returned to the vault. I know that Koko was distributed then by Stax, and the label later became independently distributed. But not unusual for singles masters left behind in a former distributed label's singles job master reel in their vaults. And these days, likely stored at Iron Mountain in their vault. Edited by KentT |
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VWestlife ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 02 April 2020 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2 |
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Is the glitch at 2:59 in all copies of "(If Loving You Is Wrong) I Don't Want To Be Right"? It's a stutter in the middle of "wrong", making it sound like "wro-oong". A bad tape splice?
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