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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 53 |
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There were 45s with handclaps, and 45s without handclaps.
I don't know which came first or which is considered to be the hit. Mono, no handclaps version The oldest version I have is Time-Life's Rock 'N' Roll Era Vol. 2 1962 original release (1987). It runs 2:18 here, and sounds very muddy. The same analog transfer is used on:
Even better still is a version on Time-Life's 2-CD Glory Days Of Rock 'N' Roll Vol. 15 Dance Party (2001), where it runs out to 2:25. It's not just the tail of the fade that's longer; the fade starts later than any of the above CDs. There's a digitally identical clone on:
Mono, handclaps version The oldest version I have is Rhino's Billboard Top R&R Hits 1962 (1988). It runs 2:27 here. It sounds quite nice here except for a big dropout at 0:15. There's a digitally identical clone on the 1993 rerelease of this disc. Fortunately, there's a different analog transfer on Time-Life's 25 Years Of #1 Hits (1991). It also runs 2:27, also sounds quite nice, and lacks the dropout at 0:15. The same analog transfer is used on:
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Hykker ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 30 October 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 21 |
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I have both versions on 45. Both are Dimension 1000, listed time on both is 2:12.
The "no handclaps" one is vinyl with a paper label, matrix # 5971-1B. Actual 2:16 and is gone just after "you're looking good". It's a smooth fade. It also runs slightly faster than the handclap 45, though the difference at the fade is less than a second. The "handclaps" one is styrene with the label printed directly on the plastic, matrix 5971. There is also some illegible gibberish and "TW" etched in the deadwax. Actual time 2:19, the fade is smooth to 2:19 then abruptly dumps. "You're lookin' good" clearly audible. Clearly they are from different pressing plants, maybe different masters got sent to different plants? I was 11 in the summer of '62, and while I was just getting into music wasn't (yet) at the point of picking up on different versions/mixes. Edited by Hykker |
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eriejwg ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 58 |
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On YouTube, The45Prof has the handclaps version timing out
to 2:20 which is the time of the 45/LP version in the database. |
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TomDiehl1 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 13 January 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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20+ years ago, I used to hear a version on
an oldies station out of Washington D.C. that ended cold, rather than fading out. I can't recall if it had handclaps or not but I'm leaning towards not. It lasted quite a bit longer than any other version I'd ever heard, and I've never successfully found it anywhere in the digital world. Anyone got any leads? |
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Paul C ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 23 October 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 10 |
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When Gerry Goffin and Carole King entered the studio with
Eva Boyd to record "The Locomotion", their only intent was to make a demo. Thinking that the song might be a worthwhile follow-up to Dee Dee Sharp's "Mashed Potato Time", they sent the demo to Sharp's producers, but they turned it down. Don Kirshner, co-founder of the publishing company to which Goffin and King were signed, had been planning to launch his own label and decided to issue Eva's demo as the first release on Dimension records. I have always assumed, but have never been able to find any proof, that the handclaps were overdubbed onto the demo before it was released and that because copies had to be pressed so quickly after the song took off, one or more pressing plants were accidentally sent a tape of the demo without the handclaps. Carole King did all the arrangements, is one of the background singers, and according to some versions of the story even plays drums on the recording, but only her husband is credited as producer. Carole King's "It Might As Well Rain Until September" was also intended to be just a demo, and The Chiffons' "One Fine Day" is little more than Carole's demo with her vocals erased and replaced by those of The Chiffons. |
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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 53 |
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I think the handclap version may include more polishing than just adding the handclaps.
I think I hear some doubling-up of the lead vocals in portions of the handclap version (easiest to hear on the word "now" at 0:19). On the no-handclaps version, it's just one vocal line all the way through. I, too, believe that the no-handclaps version was sent by mistake to pressing plants. (Not based on any hard evidence, though.) Both versions sound roughly the same for the first few seconds of the song. I can believe that Carole King played drums. There are some odd cymbal hits where there usually would be crash cymbals. The timing is off on those cymbal hits, which tells me that they were dubbed in later, likely by someone who doesn't regularly play drums. To me, it just adds to the charm of the record. It wouldn't be as much fun if it were a polished Wrecking Crew production. |
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TallPaulInKy ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 21 September 2007 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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There is a television documentary with Don Kirshner
saying when Goffin and King presented him with the demo he felt it sounded like a hit, so they overdubbed some handclaps for the single release. So the handclap version is the hit version. Some pressing plants may have pulled the album version (without the handclaps) and pressed some by mistake. It's a minor difference. To me the handclap versions is more exciting but the without version always sounded cleaner (on my original LP pressing). The whole Locomotion album is great and was issued in true two track stereo (except for two songs). Too bad Little Eva never got quality material later. The album is basically a collection of Goffin and Kings greatest hits up to that point. The stereo album (to my nowledge) has never been issued digitally in stereo. |
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Hykker ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 30 October 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 21 |
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Curiously Paul, how long is the LP version without the claps? I have the no handclaps version on an 80s vintage VA comp that runs ~:10 longer
than the 45...times out to 2:24. |
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