Mamas & The Papas -Look Through My Window

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   What's the difference between the LP version and the not-on-CD 45 

version of this one?  Can't find anything in the chat on it....

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davidclark Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 29	Post Options Post Reply Quote davidclark Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Mamas & The Papas -Look Through My Window Posted: 29 March 2015 at 11:25pm
	What's the difference between the LP version and the not-on-CD 45 version of this one? Can't find anything in the chat on it....
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Kerry Jackson Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 15 June 2012 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Kerry Jackson Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 March 2015 at 3:39pm
	I believe one of the main differences between the LP version and the not-on-CD 45 is the fact that the 45 is mono and the LP version is a stereo version. I have several LP copies and apart from a slight speed difference on some of the LPs, the main difference that I notice is the mono/stereo difference.

Pat Downey Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 01 October 2003 Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pat Downey Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 April 2015 at 10:35am
	There are some pretty significant mix differences between the 45 and LP. I can change the description from "version" to "mix" if you would like.

davidclark Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 29	Post Options Post Reply Quote davidclark Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 April 2015 at 4:57am
	Yes, Pat, perhaps that would be better if you change it to a mix difference. We tend to use the word "version" to describe significant differences in the versions other than only the mix, for example, overdubs in one not in the other, an edit or early fade of the LP version to create the 45, different recordings, different instrumentation and/or vocals, etc. Our board does not generally specify a mono 45 vs. a stereo LP mix as different unless the mix gives it a significantly different "feel", such as via added reverb or punchiness, which in that case we generally use the term "mix". This seems to be the approach we use since there are literally thousands of 45s issued in the late 50s, 60s and early 70s in mono where the 45 received a stereo mix for release on a stereo LP. In general, we have no label beside these entries. Edited by davidclark
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aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 208	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 April 2015 at 7:52am
	David, if I'm not mistaken there are many instances where a difference in reverb qualifies for a "version" difference and not a "mix" difference. If it were up to me, I'd get rid of "mix" altogether. Is there a clear definition of when "mix" is used instead of "version," and is it consistent across all database entries?
	Aaron Kannowski Uptown Sound 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop

davidclark Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 29	Post Options Post Reply Quote davidclark Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 April 2015 at 10:00am
	You are probably correct Aaron - perhaps for reverb, "version" is more used, I do not know - perhaps I should not have included that in my "mix" category. But when we do use version, there is often a chat where someone (like me) has asked, and the board members have replied documenting why it's a version, e.g., indicate that reverb is different between the two. I do not know how consistent the database is in using version or mix for reverb. I have yet to hear the 45 of this particular song, to hear the mix differences Pat mentions. Edited by davidclark
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aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 208	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 October 2015 at 11:30am
	After doing an A/B between the mono 45 and a fold-down of the stereo LP, I'm not really hearing any noteworthy mix differences. The mono 45 is certainly a dedicated mix, as the vocals are louder on the fold-down, and instruments are at slightly different levels (nothing drastic). Overall, though, all of the instrumentation, vocals, reverb, etc., appear to be the same between both the stereo and the mono. There are several other similar examples in the database where the mono mix is only slightly different from a stereo fold-down, yet Pat has not made any "LP/45 mix" notations for those songs. I'm not sure why this one is deserving of an "LP mix" notation, but I thought I'd point out that, in my opinion, the differences are not as significant as Pat feels they are. Edited by aaronk
	Aaron Kannowski Uptown Sound 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop

Hykker Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 30 October 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 29	Post Options Post Reply Quote Hykker Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 October 2015 at 5:13pm
	This song had one of the coolest B sides "Once Was A Time I Thought". It ran :58, and came in handy when you were back- timing and were off by a minute. Apparently I wasn't the first one to think of this...at the first station I worked at, this song was VERY cueburnt.