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Ed, I don't hear any "whopp" sound before the beginning of the music on my commercial 45 (a vinyl Columbia Santa Maria pressing, although the lacquer was cut by RCA Custom.)

But there is tape bleed-through just before the song begins (that "pre-echo effect.") It isn't part of the actual session recording; it's a result of the magnetic charges on the tape transferring to the silent portion preceding it (with which it remains in contact, once the tape is wound on the reel.) That "pre-echo" could have been avoided if they'd spliced in some non-magnetic leader tape ahead of the first note when the 45 was cut.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote edtop40 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 May 2013 at 5:30am
yah shure, that's odd.....mark was kind enough to send me a
wave file of the hitsville box set version and it HAS the
'whoop' intro on it and matches perfectly.....my 45 run out
groove info is machine stamped 'Z4KM-4435-1 C' then etched
'Q-S5-M5-S6-831M05'...yah shure, what does yours say?

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Okay, after listening to the Hitsville box track, I see what you were referring to, Ed (the "whopp" description is what threw me off: I was expecting to hear a percussive noise of some sort before what you termed the "whopp" sound, which is on my 45.) It could be just an untrimmed remnant from a count-off, but it does serve as a neat way to kick off the record.

I don't hear the vinyl 45's tape bleed-through at all on the track from the Hitsville box (which you really should have in your collection, Ed!)
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Was there ever a promo 45 of "What's Going On" with all or most of the talking at the beginning cut off, and starting with the music? Because that's the way I usually hear it played on the radio, starting when the music begins, with "Right on!" and the remaining talking overlapping it.
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Both the mono and stereo 45 versions start with the music.
The only place I hear the 'right on' is on the LP version.
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Originally posted by VWestlife VWestlife wrote:

Was there ever a promo 45 of "What's
Going On" with all or most of the talking at the beginning
cut off, and starting with the music? Because that's the
way I usually hear it played on the radio, starting when
the music begins, with "Right on!" and the remaining
talking overlapping it.

Sounds like an in-house edit of the stereo album mix. As
far as I know, all 45 versions were the mono mix (as found
on the Hitsville USA box set) without the "party" sound
effects heard throughout the song.
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Are there any real stereo 45 versions (or similar mixes)
out there?

I have one labeled 'very poor stereo separation' from
1995s 'Anthology' but it's slightly rechanneled instead.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote LunarLaugh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 January 2022 at 2:29pm
You can possibly create something resembling a stereo 45
version by editing the intro and outro from
the instrumental version found on Universal's "20th Century
Masters: Best of The Funk Brothers" CD onto the stereo
album cut. There still might be some lingering 'chatter'
track once the vocal kicks in. I'm also not sure if the
stereo separation of the two versions would make for a
smooth edit.

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I really can't believe I've missed this all my life. I just went over to youtube and looked for a 45 version. Sure enough, there's a false fade near the end.

This tells me that either all the stations I grew up with didn't play the final tag of this song, or didn't play the 45 version, EVER! I'm familiar with all
the other songs mentioned, but not this one. I guess I'm going to have to look around here and see if I can find one of those Tamala 45's. My local 45 store
is bound to have one for a couple dollars, so I can use it for reference. Also, kind of odd to hear it start without the intro of chatter.

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Originally posted by AdvprosD AdvprosD wrote:

This tells me that either all the
stations I grew up with didn't play the final tag of this
song, or didn't play the 45 version, EVER!


Possibly they DID play the 45 version, but the stations
used heavy volume compression/processing which kept the
volume level over-the-air consistent (or perhaps they
carted it up correcting the volume drop). Even
primitive/inexpensive units such as the Shure Level-Loc
were sometimes used to handle this issue.

I remember the same reaction when I first heard
"Suspicious Minds" on vinyl a couple years later and
never realized there was a volume drop/return on that
fade based on prior radio play.

Andy

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