Michael Jackson - the 45 versions on CD

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   AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

No, that wasn't enough...

 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!! 

I knew this was coming out, and I knew the first disc had 21 tracks including "Thriller" and "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'," so I figured they must have used the single edits.  But I spent over an hour combing the Internet looking for a track listing with run times, and was unable to find one.  I just checked All Music yesterday... they must have just posted it!

FINALLY... The 45 version of "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'."  I really thought I'd never see the day.  Now all his solo singles will have been released on CD in their exact 45 versions.  

If the run times are accurate, it looks like they used the 45 versions for everything except "Thriller."  Looks like the used the longer radio edit for that one.  Which I could understand... can you imagine how people would "howl" (no pun intended) if they bought this disc, and no Vincent Price rap?

I CANNOT wait for this.  It actually was supposed to come out last Tuesday, but it's been delayed until the 19th.

Thanks, Todd and Ed!  You made my week!!!

Edited by Brian W.

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Brian W. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brian W. Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 July 2005 at 3:18pm
	AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! No, that wasn't enough... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!! I knew this was coming out, and I knew the first disc had 21 tracks including "Thriller" and "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'," so I figured they must have used the single edits. But I spent over an hour combing the Internet looking for a track listing with run times, and was unable to find one. I just checked All Music yesterday... they must have just posted it! FINALLY... The 45 version of "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'." I really thought I'd never see the day. Now all his solo singles will have been released on CD in their exact 45 versions. If the run times are accurate, it looks like they used the 45 versions for everything except "Thriller." Looks like the used the longer radio edit for that one. Which I could understand... can you imagine how people would "howl" (no pun intended) if they bought this disc, and no Vincent Price rap? I CANNOT wait for this. It actually was supposed to come out last Tuesday, but it's been delayed until the 19th. Thanks, Todd and Ed! You made my week!!! Edited by Brian W.

Brian W. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brian W. Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 July 2005 at 3:22pm
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aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 123	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 July 2005 at 3:27pm
	In looking at the run times, the only three songs from the 80s era that don't have times matching the 45 versions are "Thriller" (which appears to be the DJ Edit that is also on Number Ones), "Smooth Criminal" (which appears to be the LP version on Essential) and "Man In The Mirror" (but the 45 version as stated above can be found on Number Ones).

Brian W. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brian W. Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 July 2005 at 3:32pm
	Well, it's interesting, there are slightly different track listings floating around... The one Sony Music and on all the UK retailer sites has 21 tracks. But most of the US retailers omit "Can You Feel It" in their track list. So I hope to God we don't burned on this. If it just has the single version of "Wanna Be," I'll be happy.

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 123	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 July 2005 at 3:37pm
	If it doesn't turn out to have the single version of "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'" I have a version edited to match the 45, which uses 1 second of the 45 where the mix is different. It's very hard to tell that I transferred that one second from the 45. But let's hope we get the real deal on July 19.

Brian W. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brian W. Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 July 2005 at 3:33am
	Well, I'm still holding my breath for this release, but I did add up the run times for disc one, and they certainly are PLAUSIBLE -- disc one would run 78:51, and I think disc two added up to around 76:30 or thereabouts. I also noticed the 45 version of "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" with the spoken intro is not included... that's the running time for the common radio edit. I guess it's buried forever. (It oughta be, that spoken intro is just embarrassing.) Oh, well, it's not that hard to find on the original pressings of the "Bad" CD. And I notice "Jam" is not included on this collection at all, so that's another one that remains unissued on a full-length CD, though it's all over the place on the old import CD singles. "Scream" is missing as well. Strange that they included the 7:00 "Dangerous" instead of two actual hits. Also, I take it back about ALL his singles being on CD now... the single mix of his duet with Stevie Wonder, "Get It," I don't think has ever been issued on CD. Edited by Brian W.

Todd Ireland Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote Todd Ireland Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 July 2005 at 9:07am
	Brian: Regarding the 45 version of "I Just Can't Stop Loving You", the spoken introduction was removed shortly after the Bad album was released and it's apparent the brass at Sony and/or Michael Jackson himself don't want anyone to remember this intro ever existed. Would you happen to know the story behind why the spoken lyrics were removed? Also, I notice Pat has listed all CD appearances of "Rock with You" as being remixed. You don't suppose the upcoming Essential CD would have the 45 version remixed as well, do you? The original mix was superior in my opinion and I would hope the 45 edit will be taken from the singles masters and not "recreated" by editing the remixed LP version. Edited by Todd Ireland

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 123	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 July 2005 at 11:42am
	That's interesting, Todd. My book says "LP Version" next to "Rock With You." What was the difference between the original mix and the "remix"?

Todd Ireland Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote Todd Ireland Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 July 2005 at 12:25pm
	Aaron: I don't have the original mix, but I remember reading on another message board that the handclaps are louder and more centered in the remix. Can anyone back me up on this?

Brian W. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brian W. Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 July 2005 at 1:01pm
	I think I'm the one that let Pat know about that after the ninth edition. There are no handclaps at all on the ORIGINAL album version of "Rock With You." At some point after the song was remixed for the single, the full-length remix was swapped on the vinyl albums (just like the full-length remix of "The Way You Make Me Feel" seems to have become the standard version). This switch happened looooong before the CD era began, so most people aren't even aware of it. It sounds smoother without the handclaps, has sort of a dreamy quality to it. Also replaced on the vinyl album was the original mix of "Get on the Floor," using the mix that's on the B-side of the remixed single of "Off the Wall," and that is what has wound up on all CDs of "Off the Wall" as well. However, a few months ago I discovered I'd had the original mix of "Get on the Floor" all along on the UK maxi-single of "Liberian Girl." But the original mix of "Rock With You" has never been issued on CD, to my knowledge. Edited by Brian W.